UBI can be implement in many way.
Libertarians/Liberalist/FreeMarketFan promote a vision that is intended to
replace charity, yet to keep unconditionally an incentive to work.

the big recognized problem of todays social safety nets is that it is a
tax, a disincentive on people who get out of poverty. In country like
France this tax may sometime not be far from 90%, if not above 100% (at
least facially at short term).

another problem I know well is that safety net follow a bourgeoisie vision
of how to behave, of what is good, how to earn your life, how to be
organized...
It may be counter productive.

Earning your life only by selling garden vegetable, driving for Uber,
babysittng, renting your tools, buying and selling on e-bay, delivering
salad, should not be punished compared to looking for a full-time work in a
factory.
Living in a trail and using all your money to skydive should not be treated
differently as owning a big house and playing in the garden.

UBI also is , contrary to the myth, promoting MORE work and MORE risk
taking, more investments, more school. It was measured in india with poor
people.

note that for the UBI to be neutral, it should be associated with a flat
tax that make any way to earn your life as attractive as any other.

Neutrality is essential, so flat tax and unconditionality are keys.
In fact most people are more intelligent to solve their own problems than
administration (this is the anti-communist moto). they better know where to
invest, BUT if they are in risk of ruin, starvation, death, they refuse to
take risk, and as any financial expert know this mean getting less benefits.

UBI is a life insurance that promote risk taking, entrepreneur spirit,
investments in education and business... It is also a way to transform a
flat tax system into a globally progressive tax rate, keeping the marginal
tax rate neutral.
UBI can really boost the economy.

of course it can be implemented wrongly. It will probably be, and many UBI
announces propose something not unconditional, not basic, not neutral.

For example in France most observers imagine that it will not be universal,
it won't cancel all other charity system, so it will just be a new fat
charity system, not an autonomy enabling system to "laisser-faire" the
people.

Note that about the disappearance of work, I am opposing this vision.
Work will not disappear. Work will move BACK to a less "factory-style"
notion of job (exploiting submissive taylorized zombies and bureaucratic
managers), and we will go a little back to what is fund in Africa, in Uber,
but not totally as stable workforce is useful (NB: a French company
operating Amazon like online shops in many African countries explained thay
have to improve fidelity and training of a usually Uberized workforce).

However full-time life-time work will probably not be possible nor
desirable, and people will have multiple activities, including usual work,
but also independent work, off-time businesses, e-bay shops, UberPop
phases, like you see in emerging countries.

This is why neutral UBI is a key to make full-time-work not a condition to
be protected by the community.



2016-11-23 22:19 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell <[email protected]>:

> Brian Ahern <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This is neo-communism.
>>
> Yes, it is. Except that instead of exploiting other people's labor, it
> would exploit robots. Robots don't care. They will not be upset.
>
> All of us helped develop robots and computers with our tax money, so we
> should all get the benefits from them.
>
> - Jed
>
>

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