The noise about the flash in the pan glow stick signal is getting totally out of hand. Mark Twain described such ‘social media madness’ 'There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.'
From: Axil Axil [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:43 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cellani replication 'flea bitten' lenr radiation NOT What is considered energy? Holmlid produces loads of pions, and muons, and electrons? Are these sub atomic particles included in the energy calculations. Holmlid saw a loss of energy in his reaction and that was why he whent looking for sub atomic particle creation. Rossi says that 50 percent of his XCat COP comes from electricity that newly created electrons produce. Rossi does not count the energy that it takes to create electrons and neutrinos in his COP figures. By the way, when matter is produced from nothing, the energy balancing mechanism is the creation of negative gravity or dark energy. There is a lot of matter produced by LENR in the universe because there is a lot of dark energy produced in the expanding universe. On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: -----Original Message----- From: H LV * All claims of excess of heat (including P&F's) are based on observations of thermal anomalies plus the hypothesis that the storage of input energy is either irrelevant or impossible. There has never been an energy audit that proves the effect yields more energy produced than all the energy used throughout the *entire* history of an experiment. That’s not accurate, Harry. P&F ran a cell for 6 months of continuous gain in France, and Thermacore ran for over a year. No way was the startup delay which was not over a couple of days in either case - commensurate with the net output over the long runtime. * In other words, the possibility of "unknown" storage effect has never been ruled out. That is partially true, since in one sense there probably is always a “storage effect,” within the process. It would be ongoing, however, and is already factored into the net gain in situations like the above – in the two long runs, one of P&F and the other Thermacore. If Rossi has proved net gain over a year, he would be the third instance of very long gain. This ongoing storage would be the situation where dense hydrogen or deuterium must be made in situ, before being use for gain. However, in a well-controlled system, the manufacture and use are in sync and after the startup delay - there is continuity of gain despite the ongoing storage.
