Getting back to the issue of understanding side by side reactions and the 
production of excess heat being an indication of LENR, again you need to 
understand the amount of electrical power deposited in the reactor vs the 
amount of power deposited in the null experiment in the same comparable 
location of the electrical heating elements.  And if you do not know  the 
respective resistances of the electrical heating elements, inferences about the 
consistency of the respective electric power is only a guess. 

Jack Cole just ran a null experiment (maybe not null) that melted his alumina 
along the heating element.  This certainly could change the electrical 
resistance of the circuit in the hot zone of the heater element and make 
understanding of the power deposited difficult as a function of time.  

Bob  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alberto De Souza 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 12:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Am I the only one..


  If the resistence of the reactor with fuel decreases by three times, the 
power received by this reactor would be reduced by the same amount (if the 
voltage is kept constant in this reactor) or more (if the voltage is kept 
constant in the circuit composed by the two reactors in series). In both cases, 
if the reactor with fuel is hotter, we will have even stronger proof of excess 
heat.

  It is important to note that a reduction of three times in the resistance 
with a Khantal A-1 wire it is very hard to go unnoticed. If it occurs only in 
the reactor with fuel, we have a jackpot of new physics: unexpected excess heat 
due to the LENR fuel and unexpected negative temperature coefficient of the 
resistence of the heater (NTC, which by itself has many relevant applications 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermistor). Notice that proper NTC in the heater 
wire would help stabilizing the reaction.

  Alberto.



  On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote:

    When the resistance drops on the LENR reactor heater coil by three times, 
how will that effect the current going through the null reactor's heating coil?


    On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Alberto De Souza 
<[email protected]> wrote:

      Calorimetry is always a problem in LENR context because it is being used 
to try and prove that LERN is real. But it is very hard to use it for that. 
Calorimetry is good for evaluating how much one would gain with LENR, once it 
is proved that we have excess heat (one might argue that this was already 
proved, but the current scientific establishment does not think so).

      The LENR community must first focus on this binary hypothesis: "A reactor 
loaded with LENR fuel produces excess (non-chemical) heat" (true/false). To 
test this hypothesis one has to run an experiment to test exactly that: is the 
reactor with fuel hotter? This simplifies the problem a lot.

      To eliminate the variables that are not relevant to the test, one has to 
run two identical reactors in the same room, at the same time, with identical 
heating coils in series; one with the variable of interest (the LENR fuel) and 
one without. Parkhomov has observed COP 3 in his reactors using calorimetry. A 
hypothesis test as suggested above, performed live by the MFMP, will show large 
differences (hundreds of degrees) in temperature between the reactors, leaving 
little doubt (if any) that we have excess heat. 


      Alberto.



      On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Robert Lynn 
<[email protected]> wrote:

        *delurks*


        Frustrating that with COP's >2 and output powers of 100's to 1000's of 
watts that simple calorimetry cannot be used to remove doubt, instead we have 
5-10 equivocal demonstrations from Rossi over last 4 years, (supposedly a 
genius, yet not competent or willing to do this relatively minor part right, 
and endless excuses and supporter rationalisations about why he doesn't need to 
do it well - which stink).  Still awaiting combined big COP+bullet proof 
calorimetry from newer replications.  At these outputs simple <20% error flow 
calorimetry setup is probably only $1-200 in parts and 1-2 days in build time 
(aquarium pump, couple of buckets and thermocouples).


        Might it be that when better calorimetry is applied good news 
disappears (eg MFMP)? In which case sloppier calorimetry would be more 
rewarding and get more traction given the illusion of success.


        I've given up on Rossi (Lugano sunk him in my eyes), and my hope for 
others will probably not last into 2016 without some good results.  Looking 
forward to better demos and calorimetry from multiple sources.


        *relurks*


        On 20 March 2015 at 10:40, Blaze Spinnaker <[email protected]> 
wrote:

          For that matter, without the calorimetry we don't really know if it's 
3 COP.   It could be < 1 COP and the run without the fuel was just < 1/3 COP. 


          On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
<[email protected]> wrote:

            That being said, is it possible that the the first run just burned 
up the shell of the tube / insulation and is now radiating heat more easily.


            At some point Alexander is going to have to remove the fuel and 
re-run the test.


            On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
<[email protected]> wrote:

              .. that wants the replication to be real so that the global 
energy / scientific revolution starts in some old fringe Russian scientist's 
living room??



















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