James, I have been a member of this list for years and I've seen many feature requests that where "shot down" using some pretty harsh wording. I never said that all feature requests where turned down due to cross platform reasons, James. I said most. That's an observation and not an assumption. :) A good example is Microsoft authentication such as the one found in UltraVNC (http://www.ultraVNC.com).
I have often given you much credit for your hard work and generosity of releasing VNC as a GPL product. My gratitude has never been silent. However, to call the hard work of those that have built upon that foundation "bloat" is not fair to them or the hundreds of thousands of their users and supporters. I know that you have never directly called UltraVNC bloatware but you have implied it many times by calling the features that they have painstakingly written into their version "bloat". The guys at UltraVNC and TighVNC have spent many hours writing in features that you call "bloat" and that I have seen turned down on this list and debated into the ground. Cross platform reasons where the most often sited. Sometimes these debates became very heated. They deserve a lot of credit for listening to their users. They have a huge (and growing) loyal user base because of this. Their hard work deserves just as much praise as yours and does not deserve the term "bloat". It runs just as fast as RealVNC and has a very small footprint. When I see a feature request on the UltraVNC forums, the developers take the time to understand the request and a friendly discussion is started. I have never seen an UltraVNC developer say "do it yourself if you want it." They are always friendly and professional. Now, are you in favor of adding file transfer to the free version of VNC? If not, please explain why. I don't see how it can be debated that it wouldn't be used by enough people when just about every other remote management solution out there has a file transfer function built in. It obviously has some mass appeal. - Steve -----Original Message----- From: James Weatherall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:56 AM To: Steve Bostedor; 'John Aldrich'; vnc-list@realvnc.com Subject: RE: Printing Steve, I think it's a little unfair to say that feature suggestions are "shot down". We work very hard to provide the refine and improve the core VNC system, and make that available under the GPL, enabling people to try new features as they see fit (this is how TightVNC et al exist). So when considering feature suggestions, priority has to go to those that will be most widely useful and cause least code bloat, etc. I address the mail to you because it was a reply to your email. I have never said that remote printing won't feature in the standard VNC distribution, nor has anyone else, to the best of my knowledge. Cheers, Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Bostedor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 09 August 2005 11:41 > To: James Weatherall; John Aldrich; vnc-list@realvnc.com > Subject: RE: Printing > > Wez, > > It's not an assumption. I often see feature requests shot down on > this list, and the most common reasons given relate to cross platform > issues. > > I'm not sure why this was addressed directly to me. John > appeared to > think so, also. I was simply agreeing with him. > > If you disagree, then please let us know why something like remote > printing will never make its way into RealVNC so that we don't have to > assume. > > Thank you, > > Steve Bostedor > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Weatherall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:19 AM > To: Steve Bostedor; 'John Aldrich'; vnc-list@realvnc.com > Subject: RE: Printing > > Steve, > > Why do you assume that the cross-platform nature of the standard VNC > system > prevents us from adding new features? > > Cheers, > > Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Bostedor > > Sent: 08 August 2005 14:22 > > To: John Aldrich; vnc-list@realvnc.com > > Subject: RE: Printing > > > > Yes, I'm sure that you are correct. I think that the RealVNC and > > probably the TightVNC developers are more concerned with > > cross platform > > design than added functionality. > > > > The cross platform nature of VNC has always been one of its > hallmarks. > > It's understandable why they would be reluctant to add new > > features with > > this being the philosophy. > > > > - Steve Bostedor > > http://www.vncscan.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Aldrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:13 AM > > To: Steve Bostedor; vnc-list@realvnc.com > > Subject: RE: Printing > > > > Steve, et al: > > I am just guessing here, but I think the reason that VNC > > isn't including > > this sort of thing is because it would probably be hard to do > > cross-platform, especially when printing from a *nix > machine which you > > are > > viewing from a Windows desktop. :-) > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Steve Bostedor > > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:30 AM > > To: vnc-list@realvnc.com > > Subject: RE: Printing > > [snip] > > If you're on a LAN, you can share your printer and then print > > to it from > > the remote computer. For example, if you have an HP > LaserJet 1100 on > > your admin PC and you want to print to it from \\Computer1, > just share > > your printer on the network. > > > > On the remote computer do a "net use \\admin\laserjet1100" > where admin > > is your computer name and laserjet1100 is the assumed name of > > the share. > > That is basically how Windows Terminal services pulls the trick off > > except that it encapsulates the traffic along with the screen > > traffic. > > > > It would be nice if VNC had this same feature but it looks > > like there is > > no real interest to include it. Until then, you need to use > > the tactic > > described above or the IP print server suggestion. > > > > Steve Bostedor > > http://www.vncscan.com > > _______________________________________________ > > VNC-List mailing list > > VNC-List@realvnc.com > > To remove yourself from the list visit: > > http://www.realvnc.com/mailman/listinfo/vnc-list > > _______________________________________________ > > VNC-List mailing list > > VNC-List@realvnc.com > > To remove yourself from the list visit: > > http://www.realvnc.com/mailman/listinfo/vnc-list _______________________________________________ VNC-List mailing list VNC-List@realvnc.com To remove yourself from the list visit: http://www.realvnc.com/mailman/listinfo/vnc-list
