On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 02:34:08PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 04:27:28PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 02:21:03PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 04:18:03PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:40:28AM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 08:23:35PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 05:21:54PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 06:46:32PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 09:25:22AM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:12:56AM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I'd rather people didn't use SMMU with legacy devices.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm afraid we've been doing that for two years and the model
> > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > exists in a mature state, being actively used for development
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > validation by ARM and our partners. One of the big things its
> > > > > > > > > used for
> > > > > > > > > is to develop SMMU and GIC (our interrupt controller) code
> > > > > > > > > with PCI, so
> > > > > > > > > dropping the SMMU from the picture isn't an option.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh so this fixes a regression? This is something I didn't
> > > > > > > > realize.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, thanks. The regression came about because we implemented
> > > > > > > SMMU-backed
> > > > > > > DMA ops and only then was it apparent that the virtio stuff was
> > > > > > > bypassing
> > > > > > > even with translation enabled (because it wasn't using the DMA
> > > > > > > API).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could you point out a commit ID?
> > > > >
> > > > > There has been a fair amount of work in this area recently, but you're
> > > > > probably after something like 876945dbf649 ("arm64: Hook up IOMMU
> > > > > dma_ops")
> > > > > as the culprit, which is the point at which we started to swizzle DMA
> > > > > ops for devices upstream of an SMMU automatically.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > A "Fixes:" tag can't hurt here. I then wonder
> > > > > > > > might DMA ops ever use a DMA address which isn't a physical
> > > > > > > > address
> > > > > > > > from QEMU point of view? If that happens, this hack breaks
> > > > > > > > because in legacy mode QEMU still uses the GPA.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If QEMU doesn't advertise an SMMU, then it will work fine with
> > > > > > > the GPA,
> > > > > > > because we won't swizzle the DMA ops for the master device. If
> > > > > > > QEMU does
> > > > > > > advertise an SMMU, then we'll allocate DMA addresses to fit
> > > > > > > within the
> > > > > > > the intersection of the SMMU aperture and device's DMA mask.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Right but doesn't just poking from qemu into phys addresses work
> > > > > > anymore? It used to ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Provided that there's no SMMU, then it will continue to work. and my
> > > > > understanding (from talking to Peter Maydell) is that qemu doesn't
> > > > > model
> > > > > an SMMU for ARM-based machines.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So how come people report failures due to presence of SMMU?
> > > > Using some other hypervisor?
> > >
> > > The failures are reported on the ARM fastmodel (a complete system
> > > emulation that runs on an x86 box), where an SMMU *is* present
> > > downstream of the virtio-pci masters. There's no qemu involved there.
> > >
> > I see. And this hypervisor actually coded up looking up
> > translations in the SMMU unconditionally for legacy devices,
> > and this worked as long as guest didn't touch the SMMU?
>
> Well, the fastmodel isn't a hypervisor really. It's a full system emulation,
> so it's better to think of it like a piece of hardware. For example, you
> could run KVM on the fastmodel. But yes, when Linux didn't swizzle the
> DMA ops to point at the SMMU, then everything defaults to bypass (because
> that's the default behaviour of the SMMU driver -- this is configurable
> on the command line) which is why things used to work.
>
> Will
I would be a bit happier if Linux checked virtio iommu quirk and skipped
the DMA ops thing then. It's a bit ugly but at least it's consistently
ugly. To get clean emulation you would then use a modern device.
--
MST
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