Hi, Yes, It is definitely hard to read between the lines of a screen reader. My Wife, who still writes some things by hand, will use different colored pens to express how she is feeling.
It is not impatience you heard, just surprise. I think that long list of bugs caught me quite off guard. There is also a bit of business frustration. My company knows that it could likely make a higher profit if it used some of the features in the new iOS. At worse, it would save us time. So, we have some choices. One. We could wait to update. This means putting off that possible increase in revenue until later. Two. We could update and possibly do OK. But, on the other hand, we may be so bogged down with these bugs that we actually loose more money than we are currently making. My point here is that we are not just talking about individuals who use the phone for pleasure. We are also talking about businesses run by people who are blind whose profit greatly depends on how well we can use something as soon as it is developed. The other point here is that, for all I know, people who see may have some bugs too. I do hope that their list is not nearly as long as the one I read this morning. Neal -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released Maybe it was due to my listening to a screen reader and synthesizer, but your message, to me, had an absolute tone of impatience. If that was not your meaning, I apologize. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Ewers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:35 PM Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released Sorry if you get this twice. My email provider has a few bugs today too. Smile. I did not say it had to be perfect, but consider this. If you were developing a popular product that would drastically decrease heart attacks, would you release it first with lots of bugs for people who were blind just because it worked for people who see. Would your company philosophy be that as long as it works for sighted people it will be released even though it is not yet ready for people who are blind? I don't expect it to be perfect, but I see no reason why it is not just as stable for me as it is for my wife. Why am I assumed to be impatient if I think people who are blind should have equal access? Equal access means it works equally for both populations when it is released. I think that is a reasonable assumption. By the way, I did send a similar email to apple. Neal -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released I think that you are far, far, far too impatient. You expect it to work perfectly, the very first time out of the box, not even considering all of the work it has taken to produce such a major and complicated overhaul. Did version 7.0 work perfectly the first time? Not hardly. It took a while to get the bugs worked out, but they did it. So, rather than immediately whine and complain, how about giving them a bit of slack? Give them time to work the bugs out, just like they did after releasing version 7.0? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Ewers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:49 PM Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can release something to the public and then, if they have time, fix the bugs that make the device much less stable for people who have a disability. I know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of accessibility. I gave them high praise and they deserved it. But, as some of my Mac user friends have said, they seem to have lately been resting on their former reputation and less on getting it right the first time. Obviously, they knew about all of these iOS bugs before release. This is why they have beta testers who are blind and have low vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to get it to people who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people who are blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame on you Apple, I thought you were a better company than that. Put your development where your mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise, don't claim to be such a friend of people who are disabled. Neal -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released I'm sure that we can. All we have to do is to wait until they can get it to us. I will patiently wait. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Diakogeorgiou" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:58 AM Subject: IOS 8 Released Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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