Hi Rose.  First let me say it's nice hearing from you again.  I'm happy to hear 
you and your husband are doing well.  One app you can try that works very well 
is,"Any List"  The recipes tab doesn't seem to be accessible but the grocery 
one certainly is.  You enter your items into the list and they get categorized 
and if you don't like where the app places an item it's easy enough to change 
and put in a category of your own choosing.  So far that's no big deal but the 
nice thing it can do is where I'm going with this because it sounds perfect for 
what you described.  You can email the grocery list through the app to somebody 
else.  At the bottom of that message is a link inviting that person to share 
the app with you.  All that person has to do is to click that link and it takes 
them to the app store and shows them the app.  If they download the app onto 
their iPhone of course, assuming they have one, but then you and that person 
now share that list meaning as you or they add or delete items on one list 
those changes are reflected on the other list.  If this person always does your 
shopping it's perfect because as soon as you make a change it's reflected in 
their list as well.  I'm trying to talk Suzanne into downloading the app 
because she always asks what do we need at the store.  And as she thinks of 
items she needs and adds them to the list, they  would be reflected on my copy. 
 She says she will install it when she gets a day off and when she does, she 
spends it sleeping.  She's been pulling 60 plus hours a week as is so you know 
how that goes when your an RN.  Work-work-work sleep-sleep-sleep and maybe 
every now and then you may find 5 minutes to stop off to pick up a few things 
on the way home. LOL!  My regards to Tommy! and so nice to hear from you again! 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rose Combs 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:45 AM
  Subject: RE: New Member Intro and Help Needed Choosing iPhone Model


  I have to agree with this message, I started with a 4 and it took a couple of 
weeks to do just the basics and not call friends at midnight because I could 
not figure out how to stop the phone once it dialed the number in a contact I 
was trying to edit or just look at, now I laugh at that.  It took me another 
couple of months to start using about 95% of the features on the phone, setting 
alarms, timers, working with the calendar and calculator, using the memo 
recorder, downloading and playing a few games, nothing that uses the game 
center, however.  I still don't use Game Center and I don't subscribe to 
Twitter or Facebook because I would never be able to keep up with a full time 
job, an ill husband and other duties that I need to take care of during most 
days.  

   

  I also use the Otterbox and once the 4 was put in it never came out again 
until my husband lost it in the hospital, either it was stolen or it went out 
in the laundry, it never came back but as soon as I heard the story I made him 
deactivate it on our account.  My 4S is in an Otterbox and has not been out of 
that case ever.  The Otterbox can take a few drops, I dropped one of the phones 
in the hospital one evening and it just made a lot of noise from that clip 
hitting the floor.  I accidently got tangled up in the cord and pulled it off 
my desk once also.  

   

  My husband got a 5 to replace my old 4 and it is lighter and I would like 
that but I am not eligible for an upgrade until next year.  I have used the 5 
once or twice to ANSER for my husband and showed him a few things and it seems 
to be no different than my 4S as far as operating goes.  

   

  The other thing I like about the case is the borders of the screen are 
definitely discernible and that makes using the phone without any tactile 
marking easier for me at least.  

   

  I also like having Siri which the 4 did not have, saves me trying to text one 
friend who would prefer texting to talking and who can send faster than I can 
think, often I get three or four from her before I can even dictate one back.  
Only way I can keep up typing is with the Bluetooth keyboard which I don't 
carry around so having the 4S has made my life a little easier since she does a 
lot of driving for us, shopping etc.  Shopping via texting is quite a hoot, 
happened once while I was at the hospital and she texted me about every single 
item on my list.  My husband slept through it all but he should have heard some 
of her questions!  I could never have kept up with her without Siri's help.  I 
would have rather been with her to shop but, although annoying, this method got 
the job I needed done finished.  

  She should have called me but... 

   

  From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:17 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

   

  Ok, here's the deal.  iPhone not only comes with a screen reader but it also 
comes with a screen magnification program as well.  I don't know beans about 
zoomtext but I do know about the screen magnification.  The way it was 
explained to me was like this.  Think of it as a portable hole.  You can drag 
your portable hole all around the screen using your finger. Anything inside the 
portable hole is magnified and you can also control how much magnification you 
use.  These are already built in to the iPhone as well as other Apple products.

   

  The difference is, you aren't paying extra for it like you would with others.

   

  On to the phones.  They have a free phone.  It's the iPhone 4 with 8 GB.  The 
iPhone 4 is a fine phone.  It has both described above features as well as 
support for a Braille display users here can describe it to you far better then 
I can so I'll leave that to them.  

   

  If you just want to get your feet wet and aren't willing to shell out any 
more money then you are already going to for a talk, text, and data plan, then 
the free phone makes sense.

   

  With that having been said, there are very few folks out there who ever said 
you know, I was happy with my old cell phone.

   

  An 8 GB phone would still let you put plenty of apps on it, maybe a gig or 2 
of music and even a few pictures of you, your dog, your wife, and your kids.

   

  How hard is it to learn to use?  You've never struck me as being stupid and 
we've known each other for some time.  Yes there is a relearning curve.  It 
varies among folks as to how long that curve lasts.  Almost everybody gets it 
in a few weeks to several months and there is no prize for how fast you get it. 
 Even with the free phone you have to get a 24 month contract.  The key here 
is, it's only 24 months, not the rest of your life.  The 2 years I've had my 
iPhone 4 has gone by pretty quickly.  If I had to keep my iPhone 4 longer, I 
wouldn't cry to much because it's still a darn good phone.

   

  On the other hand, if you decide you are jumping in the water with both feet, 
I would recommend you buy the iPhone 5.  Why?  It's the newest and therefore 
will have the highest resale value down that 24 month road.  iPhone has a solid 
state hard drive rather then say, an SD-HC card.  Sense your only going to get 
one shot at it, buy the largest size hard drive you can afford.  It's better to 
have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.  time you double the 
size of the hard drive the price goes up another hundred bucks and so does the 
resale value.  In other words, an iPhone 5 with a 64 GB hard drive will set you 
back 400 bucks but it's resale value will be the highest over the 8 GB iPhone 5 
and other models on back.  

   

  Buy a good case when you buy your phone.  Put your phone in the case and 
leave it there.  My iPhone 4 32 GB iPhone has been in it's Ottorbox Defender 
case sense I got it 2 years ago.  I think if it's been out of the case 3 times, 
that would even be giving it an extra point.

   

  This group is a great place to ask questions once you get your phone 
regardless of which one it is.  Everybody here has been where you are now and 
lived to tell the story and I've got a gut feeling you will too!

   

  HTH  display.  Braille 

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Alan Lemly 

    To: [email protected] 

    Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:06 AM

    Subject: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

     

    I joined this group yesterday since it's obvious that the iPhone and other 
iDevices offer the most features and accessibility for those visually impaired. 
I tend to avoid upgrading software on my Windows XP system since I really don't 
like re-learning interface changes but I'm happy to learn new things that will 
benefit me and it's past time to learn the iPhone and all that if offers.

     

    I don't currently have any type of smart phone so I'm starting fresh both 
with the device and a wireless plan. I live near Jackson, MS so it appears that 
ATT offers the most extensive coverage and plan even if not the best price. I'm 
looking for recommendations on whether to get the iPhone 4S which ATT 
apparently only offers in a 16GB model or to get an iPhone 5 with more memory 
capacity. I know this depends on each individual's personal use but I figured I 
would tend to run more apps than sighted users to get additional accessibility. 
I use the ZoomText screen reader and I know they have an iPhone app and that 
there are also many other apps to choose from. My main use of the iPhone will 
be taking advantage of its accessibility features in identifying objects as my 
vision continues to decline and in accessing its web and other data services as 
I begin to travel more.

     

    Can anyone offer suggestions on whether I should get a 4S model with 16GB 
versus a higher capacity 5 model? I realize the 5 will cost more up front but I 
can afford the cost if I get additional benefit. I have worked extensively with 
computers since 1981 so I'm aware that spending more up front for additional 
features and capacity is usually quickly justified with the rapid technological 
expansion.

     

    Thanks for any help and I'm looking forward to tapping into the extensive 
knowledge of this list.

     

    Alan Lemly

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