Re: App library and accessing apps within groups which are presented graphically and inaccessible to Voiceover

[Alan Lemly]

Joshua,  Unfortunately, when the App library was first created, a default setting was for for new apps to be shown there instead of on home screens. I've got that changed but I have installed apps that I want to get rid of that are only shown within groups within the App library. I am unable to access those apps because when I attempt to open the group they are in, they are presented graphically on my screen and are inaccessible.  Alan  Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2025, at 1:30 PM, Joshua Hendrickson <louv...@gmail.com> wrote: Alan, I never go in to the app library at all. I highly recommend you put some apps into folders. This might help you organize things better. Good luck. Sent from my quantum phone!! On Apr 8, 2025, at 1:24 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:  It isn’t in your rotor, but if you go to the VoiceOver settings, VoiceOver Recognition, Screen recognition, even if it is off there, there is a button to list the apps that it is on for, I’d make sure there are no apps in there; though since I never mess with the app library, maybe that isn’t even possible, but just thought I would put in my 2¢ worth.       Richard, USA, "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught how to fly." -- Barbara J. Winter.   My web site: https://www.turner42.com/   From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 11:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: App library and accessing apps within groups which are presented graphically and inaccessible to Voiceover   Sieghard,    Yes I'm sure screen recognition isn't on in the App library because on my iPhone 13 Mini, screen recognition isn't even available in my rotor on that screen. What device are you using since you aren't experiencing the same issue I am and I suspect the issue might be different or nonexistent for newer devices?    Thanks.    Alan  Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2025, at 12:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:  Are you sure you haven’t screen recognition somehow enabled when you are in the App Library? I have no issues reading or accessing apps from the App Library. I actually don’t hardly ever use it, but just to be sure I went there now and I noticed a folder called “Information and Reading, 9 items”. I double tapped on it and it opened up and I get apps like Audible, Books, CBC News, ElevenReader. Also listed are Google Translate, Translate, Merlin Bird Id, News and Stocks.   From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: App library and accessing apps within groups which are presented graphically and inaccessible to Voiceover   Hello List,   I’m running iOS 18.4 on an iPhone 13 Mini and am very concerned about results I’m getting in the App Library. I would appreciate comments from other users about their results and I’ll provide more details below.   As you know, the App Library is accessed as the last screen following your last home screen. You swipe through your various home screens by placing focus on an app on one of them and doing a 3 finger swipe left which will advance you to the next home screen which will be announced as some number of a total by Voiceover depending on how many apps are installed on your device. After you land on the final number of your home screens, the next 3 finger swipe left will place you on your App Library screen.   My App Library screen is a bit of a mess because I have over 300 apps installed on my device. There doesn’t seem to be any order as to how things are presented on the App Library screen. Some apps are listed individually and some are presented in groups. The problem I’m experiencing is that if the app I’m seeking is located in a group, opening that group presents a graphical screen which is totally inaccessible to Voiceover. I’m curious whether those with newer devices are experiencing the same thing or not. If you could access your App Library, find the Utilities or some other group, and double tap to open it and let me know if you are presented with an accessible screen or not where you can take action on the individual apps there, I would very much appreciate it. If you experience the same issue I am, you might find your device inaccessible and if you have a device without a home button, you will need to access your home screen by placing your finger in the bottom right corner of the screen and slide up until you hear the first tone and release which should return you to an accessible home screen.   If anyone can recommend how to remove an app that is only located within a group in the App Library, I would very much appreciate it as I’m unable to access edit mode in the screen presented graphically which is required in order to take action on the app. I’m noticing that these graphical presentations are starting to appear more frequently which should concern every Voiceover user. I have already contacted Apple Accessibility to report this and urge others to do the same. I welcome any comments about what others are experiencing with this and thanks in advance for your feedback.   Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.   If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.   Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com   The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000a01dba89e%24528b4680%24f7a1d380%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.   If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.   Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com   The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BL3PR02MB8938CD3A74E9767A6FFE7B6FC7B52%40BL3PR02MB8938.namprd02.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.   If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.   Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com   The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BC979E55-2FA1-4B21-A6CC-A9A2027C104C%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.   If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.   Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com   The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/015601dba8b3%247bd23e30%247376ba90%24%40comcast.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.   If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.   Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com   The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0330F17D-EB03-4744-B5B7-1F2493F0B6A5%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.   If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.   Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com   The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/9D4E1720-ADB6-47AD-B843-37880C35FBEA%40gmail.com.