It’s nice, but if you’re using Google Docs, or Salesforce at work, you may want to go to an Apple Store and check it out for yourself. Devin Prater [email protected]
Https://devinprater.micro.blog > On Oct 16, 2023, at 9:20 PM, Dennis Long <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have given some thought to getting a mac when I can afford it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kliph > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac > to Fellow Blind Computer Users. > > I second that, I have to use windows for work, and you wouldn’t believe how > many trouble tickets I have to submit a week for jaws issues. > > >> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:39 PM, Ed Worrell <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This article is very, very, very late to the game. I have not had this issue >> with Safari freezing on my Mac computers in a very long time. Probably in >> over 3 years. I really don’t understand the hatred from the post on >> AppleVis. The AppleVis site has become very negative in the last few years. >> I’m not saying Apple is perfect by any means, but this goes a bit far. I >> have had more issues with my Windows 11 machine with JAWS installed, over >> the last year. >> >> Ed >> >> >>> On Oct 8, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Chrome and Firefox both work really well. >>> >>>> On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Ron Canazzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Group, >>>> >>>> Since this editorial involves primarily Safari browser and since there are >>>> other browsers such as Firefox that can be used on the Mac, has anyone >>>> tried Firefox on a Mac or perhaps any other browser? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/8/2023 7:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>>>> I love my iPhone and even my Apple TV, but while I tried Voiceover on a >>>>> MAC a little, it is not a system I would want to deal with on a >>>>> day-to-day bases. >>>>> Maybe that is because I have been using Jaws at first with DOS in 1989 >>>>> and since the mid 90’s with Windows, but I can’t even imagine what such a >>>>> bug would do to me now when my retail business runs on a web-based point >>>>> of fsale and accounting platform and I virtually use Chrome (or sometimes >>>>> Edge) along with Excel and Outlook literally all day long. >>>>> Of course I don’t claim that Windows 11 with the latest version of a >>>>> Chromium-based web browser or Firefox and Jaws 2023 and for a while now >>>>> Jaws 2024 in Beta is perfect, but it’s very rare that Windows, Chrome or >>>>> Jaws crashes when I use our point of sale, Lightspeed Retail and I often >>>>> go the entire week without having to reboot my computer. On Saturday >>>>> evenings we usually turn all the computers at my store off since we are >>>>> closed Sundays, but once they get turned on Monday morning they stay on >>>>> until Saturday evening. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Sieghard >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >>>>> janet gross >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:27 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac >>>>> to Fellow Blind Computer Users. >>>>> >>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>> Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you might like to >>>>> read. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users >>>>> We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to >>>>> Fellow Blind Computer Users >>>>> As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a >>>>> longstanding issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently >>>>> become unresponsive with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message >>>>> “Safari not responding.” When this issue occurs, the user's Mac may >>>>> become unusable for up to several minutes at a time. Sometimes it can be >>>>> resolved by switching away from Safari. Sometimes restarting VoiceOver >>>>> can resolve the issue. However, far too often, the user is unable to >>>>> switch away from Safari or turn VoiceOver off, instead having to simply >>>>> wait for their Mac to become responsive again. >>>>> This “Safari not responding” behaviour when using VoiceOver dramatically >>>>> impacts productivity and overall usability of Macs for blind and low >>>>> vision users. Furthermore, it appears that the issue extends beyond just >>>>> Safari - many other common applications that utilise Apple's WebKit >>>>> browser engine can also be affected by the “not responding” problem. >>>>> It is also important to point out this issue occurs regardless of the >>>>> specification level of the Mac - it has been widely experienced on the >>>>> latest Apple silicon-equipped Macs with 16GB or more of RAM, so even >>>>> owners of top-tier new Mac hardware still face this crippling VoiceOver >>>>> bug. >>>>> This critical problem has persisted for years across multiple MacOS >>>>> versions without a permanent fix from Apple. Given the longevity and >>>>> level of disruption caused by this bug across Safari and other >>>>> applications, I can unfortunately no longer in good faith recommend Macs >>>>> to anyone who relies on using VoiceOver. The impact of this bug when >>>>> performing routine, and often critical, tasks in Safari and other >>>>> applications simply makes macOS an unreliable and frustrating platform. >>>>> Macs have traditionally been popular within the blind community, and they >>>>> offer some great accessibility features. However, frankly, Apple should >>>>> be utterly ashamed that they have let this issue persist for so long >>>>> without a permanent fix. It's a failing that raises serious questions >>>>> about the company's frequently stated commitment to accessibility. There >>>>> can be no doubt that if sighted users were to experience something >>>>> similar, that it would receive significant media coverage and that >>>>> Apple's response would be fast. >>>>> I believe we need to escalate out urging of Apple to prioritise and >>>>> permanently solve the “Safari not responding” bug that has plagued >>>>> VoiceOver users for far too long. To this end, I encourage those of you >>>>> who use VoiceOver on Mac to directly contact Apple's accessibility team >>>>> at [email protected] to share your own personal experiences with >>>>> and frustrations about the “Safari not responding” issue. It is important >>>>> we continue putting direct, polite pressure on Apple to prioritise >>>>> resolving this problem. Please be constructive in expressing your >>>>> concerns. Consider also copying Apple CEO Tim Cook on your email by using >>>>> his publicly shared email address [email protected] to ensure he sees the >>>>> direct impact this ongoing bug is having on Apple's blind and low vision >>>>> customers. >>>>> I want to emphasise that the “Safari not responding” bug is far from the >>>>> only issue effecting VoiceOver users on Mac. As our recent post on >>>>> problems in macOS Sonoma and the replies outline, there are numerous >>>>> other VoiceOver frustrations and failures impacting users. However, it >>>>> has become a yardstick by which Apple's overall performance on and >>>>> commitment to accessibility is being judged. It is a yardstick against >>>>> which Apple has failed for some considerable time. >>>>> I know many of you share my frustration. I welcome your perspectives and >>>>> discussion in the comments. Collectively, we need to apply consumer >>>>> pressure by being vocal about this issue and not purchasing new Macs >>>>> until the “Safari not responding” issue is fixed once and for all. 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