The person whose message preceded mine suggested Terri get an SE second 
generation. I'm running an iPhone 8. I like being able to use touch ID, as I 
think it's more discreet than face ID: just my opinion. My phone is still doing 
what I need it to do, but I don't think there will be many more updates.    

Kathy Blackburn
[email protected] Sep 24, 2023 1:53 PM, Richard Turner 
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> First, Kathy, if you are asking how long the 12 mini will be supported, no 
> one knows exactly other than maybe Apple; however, considering the XR is a 
> couple years older than the 12 mini and it is able to run iOS 17, I would 
> guess the 12 mini will be supported for at least 2 more years, if not more. 
>
> Terri asked a lot of questions. 
> First, as far as I can tell, for object identification and OCR the new 48 
> pixel camera in the 15 pro won't make those functions any better.  The higher 
> the pixels perhaps the better the picture for someone sighted but for the 
> kind of stuff most blind people need, you do not need that level of camera. 
>
> I would check with Apple about the USBC cable that will come with the 15 
> models to find out if the end that goes into the charging block is also USBC, 
> which I suspect it is.  That would mean you need a charging block with the 
> USBC port not the standard USB A port. 
>
> Note, the chip in the 15 and 15 plus is the same chip as in the 14 pro, so if 
> that is at all important to you, it will be less expensive to go with the 14 
> pro if you decide to upgrade this year. 
>
> I personally have the 13 pro and see nothing to make me want to upgrade to 
> the 15 pro.  I'll probably stick with this phone for several years and will 
> replace the battery when the time comes. 
>
> That is what I can remember to address in your questions.  
> Most decisions to upgrade are based on exactly what features you want. 
>
> HTH, 
>
>
>
> Richard, USA. 
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> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe 
>
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>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Blackburn 
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 11:38 AM 
> To: [email protected] 
> Subject: Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments 
>
> For how much longer will this model be supported? 
>
> Kathy Blackburn 
> [email protected] Sep 24, 2023 12:58 PM, Fred Olver 
> <[email protected]> wrote: 
> > 
> > Terri, Since I don't feel it necessary to have the latest and 
> > greatest, please try and understand my bias. My personal choice would 
> > be for you to invest in the second generation IPhone S.E. The cost is 
> > substantially less than any of the more modern phones and you would 
> > not be sacrificing very much in terms of optical recognition. Also, 
> > you would be able to continue to use your various charging devices and 
> > chords because the S.E. has the lightning port. 
> > Fred Olver ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Terri Stimmel" <[email protected]> 
> > To: <[email protected]> 
> > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:23 PM 
> > Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments 
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello everyone, 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and 
> > > opinions on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with 
> > > them, in the stores. I always find this sort of stuff helpful. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do 
> > > it. I love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. 
> > > It still works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade 
> > > now, it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or 
> > > so. 
> > > Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the 
> > > cost of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this 
> > > phone. But this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things, 
> > > if I ever want to upgrade. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service 
> > > message on it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I 
> > > could do that, and use this phone for longer. But a part of me 
> > > thinks that it is just better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know 
> > > some of this will be opinion. That is fine by me. 
> > > 
> > > However, some of you on this list know way much more about these 
> > > sorts of things than I do. That is something I have really come to 
> > > appreciate over the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of 
> > > this list. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want 
> > > to hold the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see 
> > > which one I might be most comfortable with. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would 
> > > know all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. 
> > > That would just be too large of a device for me. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging. 
> > > 
> > > However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of 
> > > charging. I know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual 
> > > charging blocks, because I have so many devices, that this just 
> > > works better for me. Or, I have friends that come over, who need to 
> > > charge their stuff. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the 
> > > camera. I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for 
> > > it's camera. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for me. 
> > > I use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more 
> > > than that though. I am still not always the best at taking a 
> > > picture. I hope that this might improve in time. I just don't always 
> > > understand how, or where to aim the camera. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have 
> > > now, to the 14 pro, or the 15 pro? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of 
> > > course, I won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What do you all think? 
> > > 
> > > Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thank you, 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Terri 
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