That’s one of the reasons I don’t update the iOS  right away. And why I still 
have my iPhone 8 and Matt’s iPhone second GEN that came out in 2020 because all 
of these faulty things going on.  Plus, why taking pay out money for a new 
phone when the ones work just fine that we have.

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2023, at 2:13 PM, Richard Turner <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> The tones have gone to hell in a hand basket.  I hope everyone is writing 
> Apple Accessibility about this.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Robin 
> Frost
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 11:09 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and iPhone 
> 15 Pro Max Running iOS 17.
> 
> Hi Mark and all,
> 
> Sadly my experience with the new iPhone 15 Pr is manifesting the annoying 
> drag and drop bug wherein when attempting to place apps before or after 
> others folders are inadvertently created against the user's will. It is 
> really irritating and this is on an iPhone 15 Pr which was set up as new so 
> there's no corruption potentially from having restored from a backup.
> 
> I'm also still not receiving sounders for in coming email even though all is 
> set properly. But other than those all seems well at this early hour.
> 
> And I agree the 15's do feel lighter than those that had come before them.
> 
> Take good care,
> 
> Robin
> 
> 
>> On 9/23/2023 8:56 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I first sent this message to the list, yesterday, Friday, at around 
>> 12-noon, local time but the mailing list servers were down.
>> 
>> So, I am posting this again, now.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Original Message Posted on Friday, September 22, 2023:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Well, I spent 3 hours in the Apple Store this morning with both a 15 
>> Plus and a 15 Pro Max running iOS 17.
>> 
>> As for the physical devices?  They definitely weigh less than the 14 series.
>> 
>> I am happy to report that I could not reproduce any of the VoiceOver 
>> problems discussed on the list, of late.
>> 
>> For example, the single-finger, double-tap problem simply does not 
>> exist on the 15 models I tested.
>> 
>> I had a friend of mine, the executive manager of the store, download a 
>> few third-party apps such as Amazon, Libby, and Yelp.  To my delight, 
>> VoiceOver functioned just as expected.
>> 
>> Of course, I was not able to test VoiceOver functionality with my 
>> personal primary third-party app;  so in no way am I suggesting that 
>> my testing was definitive or comprehensive.
>> 
>> However, I can say that my first experience with iOS 17 was a good one.
>> 
>> I was delighted to discover that while there were hundreds of preorder 
>> customers waiting in-line, outside the location, the store had plenty 
>> of iPhone 15 models, in all four major categories, ready to be 
>> purchase by those of us who did not preorder.
>> 
>> I wasn't planning on buying a 15 but I have to admit that I really, 
>> really like that new action button, featured on the Pro models.  
>> Perhaps I'll pick up a 15 Pro Max in the next week or so, after I've given 
>> it some thought.
>> 
>> I did, however, purchase a set of wired Ear Pods with the USBC 
>> connector and the USBC to Lightning adaptor so that I can continue to 
>> use my already purchased Lightning Ear Pods with USBC devices.  It's all 
>> about "baby steps"
>> (smile).
>> 
>> Your Brother in the Journey,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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