Finally as one user wanted to put my reputation in question when compared to Richard's I would like to mention few facts that are easy to verify.
I have put 10 years of my life in building Speech Central. On top of that I decided to give away Speech Central for free to this community (other people have to pay for unlimited use). As such I don't earn a dime if any of you use Speech Central, I only get a feeling that I helped somebody. I haven't followed this group for all years, but I did for a few months and all useful tips that I have seen from Richard were in the role of salesman of an app that costs 100$/year. If you feel like that those few posts were more worth than 10 years of my work that I gave away for free to you, it is fine, I got used to that by now that some people act like that just I have to point on the gross level of unfairness in that case. I understand that my app is not perfect and I am willing to improve everything, but I hope that there is a difference between someone who spends his time in making a product that could be helpful to you and gives you that for free and someone who is recently just making posts to justify that the same app that cost 15$ for lifetime few years ago is now worth 100$/year and should be paid that much. Again, I wouldn't mind if he said that it is worth to consider that app at that price and that he prefers it, that is fair, but he trashes my app in a mean and dishonest way. I can document that "mean and dishonest" if it is required. On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:50:12 AM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote: > Just to add that when I say to swipe up more than twice, it is because one > swipe raises speed ratio for 0.1x. Moving from 1.0x to 1.1x may not be > particularly notable but it certainly works. > > On AppleVis forums I have implemented most of the suggestions within one > week from the suggestion, so I am open to suggestions, as said constructive > criticism is welcome. Just I am looking for people that actually want to > use the app, not the critics that just want to show their loyalty to Voice > Dream Reader by spending 1 minute in Speech Central saying what they didn't > like (frequently inaccurate) and never giving a chance to fix their > problems. I think that it is reasonable. > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:38:59 AM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote: > >> First to Richard, no you were not clear in your answer that it works >> properly on Voice Dream Reader. If that was clear I would answer >> differently. However you can hear that even people here confirm here that >> it works and assume that you simply didn't want to swipe more than twice to >> hear that it is speeding up - or there is something extremely unique with >> your device that no other user has. I agree that it would be better if >> there was audio feedback on the speed value, so you would know that it is >> speeding up and how much is speeding up. >> >> To another user that said that he finds it frustrating that the app >> doesn't do anything when it is not playing and speed is being adjusted, I >> do agree that the experience could be better in this use case, as answered >> to Richard audio feedback of what is happening would be an improvement, no >> doubt. >> >> You can always pay 100$/year if you want this to work slightly better, >> and I don't say anything wrong to anyone who decides to do that. The >> reality is that most people (and especially schools) won't do that and >> Speech Central is currently the only path forward for this community. And >> you may put as much stones as you like on me or you may be constructive and >> help it improve so that future generations can have a good tool in >> education. Voice Dream Reader isn't that anymore (even if we skip price >> most schools reject every subscription based app for the simple reason that >> it doesn't fit in Apple's software for school administrators) and it was >> their decision to position them that way. >> >> On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 1:04:29 PM UTC+2 [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Based on a partial reading of this thread, and mainly Ivan’s comments to >>> Richard, I know better than to waste any time on Speech Central. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of >>> *Alan Lemly >>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 24, 2023 9:07 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing >>> >>> >>> >>> Ivan, >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard Turner has been posting helpful answers and advice on numerous >>> lists for many years. He is not the problem here. You should do a better >>> job of getting your facts straight and should refrain from attacking >>> someone publicly especially when your facts are wrong. >>> >>> >>> >>> Alan Lemly >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 1:20 PM, Ivan Icin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Richard, >>> >>> >>> >>> personally I am disappointed that you present here as some sort of >>> community leader and you don't know even what are VoiceOver gestures. You >>> seem not even to know on how to use them in Voice Dream Reader. >>> >>> >>> >>> Everything that I say is verifiable and everyone can check who is >>> telling the truth. Actually those features exist in Speech Central because >>> one blind user was using them in Voice Dream Reader and he has specifically >>> asked for them and I liked the idea. Everyone can check if this works even >>> in Voice Dream - set a VoiceOver focus on Audio Settings app and swipe up >>> and down and you will see that it changes the speed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyway I still thank you for your effort and I appreciate it from that >>> point. >>> >>> On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 8:08:21 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >>> >>> You have no idea what you are talking about. You clearly are not >>> understanding what I am saying. >>> >>> If you actually used VoiceOver everyday as I do, what I said would make >>> sense. >>> >>> I'll simply stick with Voice Dream Reader. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, USA. >>> >>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of >>> little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John >>> Ruskin >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:54 AM, Ivan Icin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Richard, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am not completely sure what you meant by this statement. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thus far I know certainly that you can't access some adjustable controls >>> in my app on main screen (play button gestures and speed button gestures). >>> >>> >>> >>> As far as I understand your description, you can't access any such >>> controls on your device whether they are in my app or in another app? >>> >>> >>> >>> That would make sense, as speed is alternatively set by sliders in >>> settings, which are also adjustable system provided controls, which would >>> explain on why you couldn't set the speed from the very start in any way. >>> >>> >>> >>> Further your description sounds like that you can't perform this action >>> in Voice Dream either. That Audio settings button in Voice Dream is not >>> meant just for displaying the speed as you have quoted, but rather for >>> adjusting the speed by VoiceOver swipe up and down gestures. >>> >>> >>> >>> As such your reflection makes more sense now, but then your device is >>> not working properly (the only second option would be that you don't >>> perform this gestures properly which is much less likely). >>> >>> >>> >>> If you can't use the system control called slider in an accessible way >>> like other VoiceOver users can, that is certainly a big problem that you >>> should fix not because of Speech Central but because it is a widely used >>> control and if it doesn't work many apps will become inaccessible for you >>> though they are actually accessible. >>> >>> >>> >>> One more remark to this - I had a chat week or two ago with one local >>> blind user who has self-discovered those gestures and used them. So it >>> isn't that hard like one user here pointed out. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 3:01:23 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >>> >>> It is over the button labeled Audio Settings and it tells you the number >>> of words per minute. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, USA. >>> >>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of >>> little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John >>> Ruskin >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 23, 2023, at 5:20 PM, Ivan Icin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have just tried and it works. For speed it may not be obvious as it >>> will just repeat the sentence at a bit higher or slower speed but with two >>> or three swipes the difference will be quite noticeable. >>> >>> >>> >>> Voice Dream Reader has a similar VoiceOver adjustable gesture for speed >>> (I think that it is over their button that should be titled “Speech”). Can >>> you perform such a gesture there? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:50:45 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >>> >>> Ivan, >>> >>> I am using a 13 Pro. And flicking up or down on the speed button does >>> only switch between standard and high. >>> >>> Flicking up or down on the play button doesn't seem to do anything. >>> >>> I will revisit it again after reading the helps. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, USA. >>> >>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of >>> little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John >>> Ruskin >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 23, 2023, at 4:14 PM, Ivan Icin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> OK, >>> >>> >>> >>> for the speed when that standard/high speed button is focused with >>> VoiceOver you should hear 'adjustable', which means that you can swipe up >>> and down to do something. In this case it is to increase the current speed >>> (this way you can customise the value of both standard and high speed >>> depending on the state of that button). This is also available in the >>> Settings where you can find sliders to customize those two values (and that >>> is the only way you can adjust those values for those that don't use >>> VoiceOver) >>> >>> >>> >>> For the navigation the story is a bit more complex as this is a bit more >>> different than VDR, but in some way it may be even more capable. You need >>> to be aware of those layers: >>> >>> - navigation is at the high level accommodated to be of maximal use with >>> headphones and other audio devices (there are tactile audio commands on all >>> Apple's headphones and most of the 3rd party ones). As such it is based on >>> multiple standard audio commands and some their gestures. As I side note I >>> find somewhat strange that people with eyesight to some extent prefer to >>> use the app with headphones while blind people that are not in any way >>> handicapped in using the headphones and are to some extent handicapped in >>> using the screen extremely prefer to use the screen and I don't have any >>> explanation for that - even as I have asked few blind people for the >>> feedback. However I try to support every use case the best it can be so the >>> app is certainly useful in that way too. >>> >>> - every standard audio command (play/pause, skip forward, skip backword, >>> next, previous) and gesture (quick press of the volume up and then volume >>> down button or quick press of the volume down and then volume up button) >>> can be customised in the app's Settings to execute any of the commands that >>> you have mentioned (like going to the next paragraph, sentence, etc). >>> >>> >>> >>> Assuming that you are using the screen and not the headphones one >>> question would be where to find / how to use those audio commands on the >>> screen. So here is a general overview: >>> >>> - if VoiceOver is focused on the Play/Pause button you will hear that it >>> is 'adjustable'. In this context means that if you swipe up or down it will >>> issue audio command skip forward/backward >>> >>> - Previous and next buttons are visible on the toolbar (and on the >>> bigger screens like iPads or landscape on bigger iPhones you will see also >>> skip forward and backward buttons >>> >>> - If you use the screen you can certainly press the volume down and very >>> quickly volume up button (or opposite) to execute some navigation command >>> that you have set for those gestures >>> - Page indicator is adjustable control too, so you can swipe up or down >>> there to navigate pages (but this works only on PDFs, other formats don't >>> have built-in page definitions - at the moment I am not sure for DAISY as >>> it has that information but I can't remember if there is the logic to >>> extract it). This is visible on most modern devices, except on iPhone SE >>> variants >>> >>> >>> >>> The app has a help document in the Extras tab, it is also available >>> online on this link: https://speechcentral.net/ios-help/ >>> >>> On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 12:19:49 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >>> >>> Can you explain: >>> >>> 1. How to adjust the speed on the fly while reading? >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. How to navigate by sentence, paragraph, page, heading, or bookmark? >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there an instruction guide? I will give it more time. >>> >>> >>> >>> The only adjusting of the speed I can find is between standard and high >>> speed. Not terribly useful for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, USA. >>> >>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >>> it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe >>> >>> >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of >>> *Ivan Icin >>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 2:25 PM >>> *To:* VIPhone <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, >>> >>> >>> >>> First thanks for trying the app, I really appreciate it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Second it is reasonable that you can be as proficient in few minutes as >>> the app that you were using for more than 10 years. >>> >>> >>> >>> So if you say for the speed change, yes you can change the speed with >>> VoiceOver gestures from the main screen. As it is done from the speed >>> button I think it is fairly straightforward, though again it is reasonable >>> that some might not discover that in few minutes. >>> >>> >>> >>> I haven't fully understand what way of navigating you wanted to make, >>> but preliminary I don't think that your explanation is correct in any use >>> case. >>> >>> >>> >>> As such I cannot underestimate your effort to try the app and even >>> provide some positive elements of feedback. Still my app has options to use >>> Neural voices that are like 10 years ahead of anything in Voice Dream >>> Reader, many other options that that app doesn't have and simply calling it >>> a cheap option for someone who doesn't have the money to pay doesn't sound >>> right. Again nothing wrong if you prefer Voice Dream Reader for whatever >>> reason - even if you just got used to it, but I don't find that statement >>> as proper. Just for the record I know multiple blind users that have >>> switched from Voice Dream Reader to Speech Central as they find it better >>> for various reasons even as they have already paid the license. Some are >>> using both for various use cases, as said there are many things that Voice >>> Dream Reader (or Speech Central if you look from another perspective) >>> cannot do. >>> >>> >>> >>> I can fully agree only on the limited Bookshare support though, but it >>> started with enthusiasm on both sides and ended few months later when those >>> people that approved my partnership left Bookshare and those that came >>> didn't even want to reply most of the time... As such it is still where it >>> was like 5 years ago and it certainly left some things to desire. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:32:54 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >>> >>> Ivan, >>> >>> I just spent some time with Speech Central. To be completely honest, it >>> is rather clunky to find a book on Bookshare, but that could be lived with. >>> >>> The fact that it cannot seem to navigate easily without having to stop >>> and use the navigation button is a drawback. Also, not being able to change >>> the reading speed on the fly. >>> >>> But, for those who cannot afford Voice Dream Reader, I can see why you >>> get very good reviews. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, USA. >>> >>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of >>> little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John >>> Ruskin >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 23, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Ivan Icin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Richard, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the question. >>> >>> >>> >>> Just to note that there are also few other apps that are Bookshare >>> partners. I am aware of Capti Voice, but there should be some more I think. >>> >>> >>> >>> Again every app has its pros and cons and I always encourage people to >>> try all of them and find the one that suits them the best. Especially in >>> this community as my work in this domain is completely non-profit and I >>> don’t have any direct benefits if someone decides to use my app (and the >>> only indirect benefit is that I may get some more reviews on the App >>> Store). >>> >>> Speaking of that I am happy if someone decides to try my app Speech >>> Central >>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-voice-reader/id1127349155 >>> >>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:37:22 PM UTC+2 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> Volume-boosting capabilities would be awesome as well. Some audiobooks >>> and other MP3 material (especially series and films), don't have loud >>> enough volume. >>> >>> Gera >>> >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel >>> >>> >>> >>> El 23 jun 2023, a la(s) 11:14 a.m., [email protected] escribió: >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, you said: >>> >>> I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year. >>> >>> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. >>> >>> >>> >>> I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to >>> see further improvements in the app, such as the ability to play M4B >>> books, and transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi >>> connection. These are characteristics that other similar apps already have. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Leo Bado >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of >>> *Richard Turner >>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing >>> >>> >>> >>> I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version. >>> If for the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion. >>> >>> >>> >>> I've let the owners know that. >>> >>> I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable. >>> >>> I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester >>> for Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app >>> at the one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying >>> $59.99 per year. >>> >>> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app. Nor am I >>> very impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app. >>> >>> >>> >>> Later, >>> >>> Richard, USA. >>> >>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >>> it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe >>> >>> >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of >>> *Ivan Icin >>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM >>> *To:* VIPhone <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing >>> >>> >>> >>> At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to >>> reviews they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, >>> like just few days ago. >>> >>> >>> >>> So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS >>> app. >>> >>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >>> >>> Well, you are correct, of course. At least, mostly. >>> >>> >>> >>> However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream >>> Reader for the Mac computers only. >>> >>> >>> >>> Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he >>> sold the company before he did that. >>> >>> So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all >>> versions. >>> >>> >>> >>> So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have >>> been the Mac version. >>> >>> >>> >>> At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong. >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, USA. >>> >>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >>> it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe >>> >>> >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of >>> *Ivan Icin >>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AM >>> *To:* VIPhone <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing >>> >>> >>> >>> Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that >>> is in the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it >>> was different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ >>> price point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US >>> markets or that those markets will take more time to update the listings >>> due to lower sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are >>> people in the US that were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price >>> was there very recently. >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I >>> wasn't sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't >>> diametrically opposed to what I said. >>> >>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:41:42 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote: >>> >>> I think that I had that information from the website for the US App >>> Store. >>> >>> In my country the pricing is in EUR, so I don’t think that I have looked >>> there, currently there are 6 annual subscriptions with prices 45-130 EUR. >>> >>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:55:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >>> >>> I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual >>> Subscription$79.99. >>> >>> Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each. >>> >>> >>> >>> What country are you in? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, USA. >>> >>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >>> it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe >>> >>> >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of >>> *Ivan Icin >>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 1:42 AM >>> *To:* VIPhone <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing >>> >>> >>> >>> You have information on pricing in the App Store. Currently they are >>> experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases >>> developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings >>> the most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is >>> currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is >>> currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and >>> several lower >>> >>> >>> >>> So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that >>> you are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, >>> which is the overall range that they use. >>> >>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >>> >>> Where did you get that price from? >>> >>> That is much higher than had been announced. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, USA. >>> >>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of >>> little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John >>> Ruskin >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 22, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Ivan Icin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I had too many typos, so here is corrected version with few more words: >>> >>> Voice Dream is now a free app, so from the aspect of Apple that acquired >>> license is now worth 0$. Also take that free with a bit of grain as it now >>> actually costs around 100$/year to be used, just it is free to download. If >>> you already own the license in general you don’t need to pay the new price, >>> but the system isn’t bulletproof as Apple doesn’t support such a transition >>> and it it technically possible that some users might need to pay, though >>> that should be a very tiny ratio. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other that that when it was a paid app Family Sharing was meant only >>> for in-app purchases, and this is Apple’s policy for all paid apps. >>> >>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:45:39 PM UTC+2 Tim wrote: >>> >>> That is a good question...:) >>> I had the same issue. >>> Tim >>> >>> On 6/22/23, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Hello. Someone I know is having issues with Voice Dream Reader and >>> family >>> > sharing. This person bought VDR time ago when it was acquired through >>> > one-time payment. However, now he wants to share VDR but a message >>> pops up >>> > saying that it is not possible. 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