Jessica, 

Open the SiriusXM app on your iDevice, make sure Discover is selected at the 
far left of the bottomline toolbar, place focus near the top of the screen 
until you hear All channels and double tap. You will have a list of all 
channels in the signed on account and VoiceOver should speak each of them. 
While VoiceOver speaks the abbreviated ch as chapter instead of channel, you'll 
quickly get used to that. With my settings, VoiceOver speaks the artist name 
and track title of what is currently playing on the channel with focus but the 
name of the channel is also spoken after the artist and title. 

Good luck. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2023, at 10:04 AM, Jessica Barr <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> How do you get VoiceOver to read the actual channel names? I mainly stream 
> SiriusXM on my Echo Studio. I know the names of a lot of the main channels 
> because my boyfriend has been a subscriber for years and knows a lot about 
> what they offer, but there are extra channels out there that I can't ask her 
> to play because I don't know what their names are. VoiceOver just reads a 
> very brief description of each channel.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, May 04, 2023 07:23 PM
> To: Digest recipients <[email protected]>
> Subject: Digest for [email protected] - 21 updates in 6 topics
> 
> =============================================================================
> Today's topic summary
> =============================================================================
> Group: [email protected]
> Url: 
>  
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/viphone/topics
> 
>  - Voice over commands [1 Update]
>    http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/e77bf86788bf024d
>  - Zello [3 Updates]
>    http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/22f3ae9547cb821d
>  - Alexa on wifi at different location [2 Updates]
>    http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/46ec415850c04d28
>  - Is The Sirius XM App for iOS VoiceOver Accessible? [10 Updates]
>    http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/14222c7bd38d4d1b
>  - smart bread makers or else physically accessible [2 Updates]
>    http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/ca589807154b5308
>  - Wireless pc headset specialized for zoom meeting [3 Updates]
>    http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/2b2f6677e3f11218
> 
> =============================================================================
> Topic: Voice over commands
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/e77bf86788bf024d
> =============================================================================
> ---------- 1 of 1 ----------
> From: "Terje Strømberg" <[email protected]>
> Date: May 05 01:02AM +0200
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4ee0958904838
> Hello. 
> A tip. Go to ios settings, accessibility, voice over, commands, all commands, 
> choose a command section, touch or keyboard works, but more commands on 
> keyboard. Here comes the tip: if the voice over says the command is already 
> in use, don't press cancel, press apply/ok/confirm  or whatever the button 
> describe in english, then do the same thing one more time e.g choose a 
> command with vo down on the keyboard and whatever key combination you like, i 
> mean one letter or one number. It just works. 
> The importance is to , if you get the error message (already in use), to hit 
> apply/ok/confirm button the first time anyway, then make the command one more 
> time. It looks like you can have more than one command at the same time, i 
> mean, more than one key combination for the same command at the same time. 
> You can also easy delete the old key combination  by using the rotor and up 
> arrow.
> Many thanks
> 
> =============================================================================
> Topic: Zello
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/22f3ae9547cb821d
> =============================================================================
> ---------- 1 of 3 ----------
> From: Lelia Struve <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 03:31PM -0600
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4e914043cc47a
> Hi all, So I haven't used the zello app in years.  I just re-installed it and 
> now it doesn't seem to work good with Iphones.   When I push the hold to 
> talk, sometimes it works and most times it doesn't. If anyone can find or 
> tell me a work around to get it to work I'd appreciate that.  Thanks
> Lelia 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> ---------- 2 of 3 ----------
> From: Tim Leet <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 06:18PM -0400
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4eba6b658f315
> Good afternoon, there is a setting that you can go to and you can change it 
> or you do a two finger double tap to transmit and a two finger double tap to 
> receive and it works a lot better. I'll have to look and see for that setting 
> is in the menu.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> ---------- 3 of 3 ----------
> From: Lelia Struve <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 04:46PM -0600
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4ed29752751cb
> Hello Tim, that worked. It kind of reminds me of Eco link, because I think 
> you have to do the same thing with that don't you? Thank you thank you thank 
> you.
> Lelia 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> =============================================================================
> Topic: Alexa on wifi at different location
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/46ec415850c04d28
> =============================================================================
> ---------- 1 of 2 ----------
> From: <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 03:13PM -0400
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4e191190a0dc1
> Thanks. I saw all that last night. Odd thing is that voice over never tells 
> me the same thing, either that or I hit on something different. Neither does 
> my old 6 say the same thing that my SE second generation says, both in the 
> Alexa App.
>               This morning, I coached someone sighted to simply get to the 
> place to plug in the new password since the network had already been 
> selected. Voila, and the second old phone also connected without me having to 
> fuss around in the Alexa App. I was on the right track.  
> I'm finding Siri somewhat unreliable, unless I want to blame it all on my 
> human error. I do not thinkit is all me!
> 
> Deidre
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 6:54 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Alexa on wifi at different location
> 
> You have to go into the Alexa app on your phone and hook the Alexa device up 
> to the Wi-Fi of your current/new location. The Alexa speaker connects to 
> Wi-Fi just like your iPhone or any other device by recognizing the Wi-Fi name 
> and then of course you have to provide the credentials, e.g. the password of 
> the Wi-Fi network you want to connect to.
> To do this do the following:
> 1. Open the Amazon Alexa app on your iPhone
> 2. tap on the "Devices" tab at the bottom (it is 4 of 5, so second from the 
> right)
> 3. Tab on "Echo and Alexa", this is the first item in the list of available 
> device groups
> 4. Find the Echo device you want to change and double tap on it
> 5. Find Wi-Fi and tap on it
> 6. It will display the Wi-Fi name that was last used and it should say 
> "Change", this is a link, tap on it and follow the instructions to select a 
> new Wi-Fi and enter the password when prompted.
> 
> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of 
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 3:17 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> Subject: Alexa on wifi at different location
> 
> This may not be an appropriate question for this group. Just let me know if 
> it isn't.
>               I brought an old screenless Echo Device to a place where I am 
> staying. I saw nowhere in the Alexa App to take it off-line in one place and 
> put it on another.
> The only way it will talk to me is if I turn on Bluetooth. I'd rather hook it 
> up to the wifi where I am staying.
> Amazon for customers with disabilities says my inquiry is not suitable for a 
> phone call but I am too tired now to struggle with this more now.
> 
>               Deidre
> 
> ---------- 2 of 2 ----------
> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 06:00PM -0400
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4eaa97a14b009
> I think Siri has gotten pretty flaky. 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 3:14 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Alexa on wifi at different location
> Thanks. I saw all that last night. Odd thing is that voice over never tells 
> me the same thing, either that or I hit on something different. Neither does 
> my old 6 say the same thing that my SE second generation says, both in the 
> Alexa App.
>               This morning, I coached someone sighted to simply get to the 
> place to plug in the new password since the network had already been 
> selected. Voila, and the second old phone also connected without me having to 
> fuss around in the Alexa App. I was on the right track.  
> I'm finding Siri somewhat unreliable, unless I want to blame it all on my 
> human error. I do not thinkit is all me!
> 
> Deidre
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 6:54 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Alexa on wifi at different location
> 
> You have to go into the Alexa app on your phone and hook the Alexa device up 
> to the Wi-Fi of your current/new location. The Alexa speaker connects to 
> Wi-Fi just like your iPhone or any other device by recognizing the Wi-Fi name 
> and then of course you have to provide the credentials, e.g. the password of 
> the Wi-Fi network you want to connect to.
> To do this do the following:
> 1. Open the Amazon Alexa app on your iPhone
> 2. tap on the "Devices" tab at the bottom (it is 4 of 5, so second from the 
> right)
> 3. Tab on "Echo and Alexa", this is the first item in the list of available 
> device groups
> 4. Find the Echo device you want to change and double tap on it
> 5. Find Wi-Fi and tap on it
> 6. It will display the Wi-Fi name that was last used and it should say 
> "Change", this is a link, tap on it and follow the instructions to select a 
> new Wi-Fi and enter the password when prompted.
> 
> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of 
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 3:17 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> Subject: Alexa on wifi at different location
> 
> This may not be an appropriate question for this group. Just let me know if 
> it isn't.
>               I brought an old screenless Echo Device to a place where I am 
> staying. I saw nowhere in the Alexa App to take it off-line in one place and 
> put it on another.
> The only way it will talk to me is if I turn on Bluetooth. I'd rather hook it 
> up to the wifi where I am staying.
> Amazon for customers with disabilities says my inquiry is not suitable for a 
> phone call but I am too tired now to struggle with this more now.
> 
>               Deidre
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> Topic: Is The Sirius XM App for iOS VoiceOver Accessible?
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> ---------- 1 of 10 ----------
> From: Peter Logan <[email protected]>
> Date: May 03 07:24PM -0400
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/5a15fa8a483ba
> Yes, totally accessible…
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> ---------- 2 of 10 ----------
> From: joseph hudson <[email protected]>
> Date: May 03 09:15PM -0500
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/5aabd75091356
> Mark, all others have definitely guy did you and there are right steps, I 
> will tell you the website is kind of a pain to make an account. It's doable 
> but it is very challenging. It may have changed since 2018. But definitely 
> take a look at that for sure.
> 
> ---------- 3 of 10 ----------
> From: "Marco Curralejo" <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 12:19PM +1000
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/5aaf0d14e1855
> Totally accessible. No dramas my end.
> Marco
> -----Original Message-----
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> Logan
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 9:24 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Is The Sirius XM App for iOS VoiceOver Accessible?
> Yes, totally accessible…
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> From: William James <[email protected]>
> Date: May 03 10:24PM -0400
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/5ab2f53c85744
> Give the Xtra channels a go.  Classic Rock Barbecue is a favorite of mine, 
> especially when smoking ribs for more than six hours.
> 
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> ---------- 5 of 10 ----------
> From: "M. Taylor" <[email protected]>
> Date: May 03 07:35PM -0700
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/5abc6fda6b6ed
> Hi Joseph,
> Okay, thank you for the heads up on the website.
> Mark
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> hudson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 7:16 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Is The Sirius XM App for iOS VoiceOver Accessible?
> Mark, all others have definitely guy did you and there are right steps, I 
> will tell you the website is kind of a pain to make an account. It's doable 
> but it is very challenging. It may have changed since 2018. But definitely 
> take a look at that for sure.
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> ---------- 6 of 10 ----------
> From: Cristobal Munoz <[email protected]>
> Date: May 03 07:42PM -0700
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/5ac3405c90b2e
> Redeemed a 6 month trial offer from Walnart+ the other day and so far, so 
> good. 
> 
> ---------- 7 of 10 ----------
> From: <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 01:50PM -0600
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4e38e527603a9
> I have the app. It is accessible. However, I will say that there does not 
> appear to be a good search feature on the app. For example, I can not type in 
> a channel in an edit field. Maybe it does exist. But if that feature does 
> exist. Voice-o er does not read it. However, the app is pretty accessible.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 4:54 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Is The Sirius XM App for iOS VoiceOver Accessible?
> Thank you all for your replies.
> Okay, I'll give it a try.
> Again, thank you all so very much.
> Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> Melissa Tucker
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 3:40 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Is The Sirius XM App for iOS VoiceOver Accessible?
> I use it as well.  It's fine.
> On May 3, 2023, at 6:23 PM, Stewart McKay <[email protected]> wrote:
> yes, it absolutely is.  works just fine
> On 5/3/2023 6:18 PM, alia robinson wrote:
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> From: Alan Lemly <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 03:00PM -0500
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4e41abf0dcc2c
> StarPlayrX Is another iOS app that works with your SiriusXM account that you 
> might find more accessible. It contains a search option on its channels page. 
> Alan Lemly 
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> ---------- 9 of 10 ----------
> From: joseph hudson <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 03:00PM -0500
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4e41f56c4f498
> Kevin, actually you can. You need to select the recently played items tab, 
> then, at the top of that tab, there is a search field. You can even tap on 
> the categories from within that search field.
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> ---------- 10 of 10 ----------
> From: Wayne Merritt <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 04:08PM -0500
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4e7da521c976c
> Yes, the StarPlayerX app offers a simplified experience when using Sirius XM. 
> However, there are a lot of features in the Sirius XM app which are not in 
> StarPlayerX, such as the ability to pause and resume ones listening, or to 
> "Go Live," on a channel which is broadcasting live content. I have found a 
> few unlabeled buttons in Sivius but one can relabel those to be more 
> understandable. I do wish there was an easier way to edit my favorites, 
> rather than deleting and re-creating them all over again, like I did a few 
> years ago. On the whole, the Sirius app is very accessible, though I did have 
> a learning curve when I started using it in 2020. Your mileage may vary. 
> Good luck, 
> Wayne
> 
> PS: Some of my fave channels include 25, Classic Rewind; 38, Ozzie's 
> Boneyard, which is classic hard rock; the Big 40 countdown each Friday from 
> the 80's on 8, and more!! 
> Wayne Merritt
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> On May 4, 2023, at 3:00 PM, Alan Lemly <[email protected]> wrote:
> StarPlayrX Is another iOS app that works with your SiriusXM account that you 
> might find more accessible. It contains a search option on its channels page. 
> Alan Lemly 
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> Topic: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/ca589807154b5308
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> ---------- 1 of 2 ----------
> From: "Star Gazer" <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 01:04PM -0400
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/5db39a3d780b5
> So? She can use it however she wants.. as can you. The advantage to doing it 
> the way Barbara's mom does, is one, it's fun, and 2, you can shape it into 
> rools. 
> Also, Barbara's mom may not have the hand strength or desire to knead dough. 
> It's a lot of work. My teenager enjoys it, and as I point out to her, you are 
> still in the phase of cooking where you don't *have* to do it, I am at the 
> phase of cooking where I *need* to do it. It makes a big difference in how 
> you accomplish the same goal.  
> 
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 2:45 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
> 
> A mixer and a neater but in the end the bread comes out great
> 
> 
> On May 3, 2023, at 2:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
> 
> But then she basically uses the bread maker as nothing more than a mixer.
> 
> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2023 6:42 AM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> Subject: Re: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
> 
> Hi everyone. 
> I just wanted to put my two cents in here. 
> My mom has used a bread maker to make delicious bread for at least 20 years.  
> She uses it to mix up and need the bread dough.  She then removes the dough 
> from the bread maker puts it in bread pans and lets it rise that way. Then 
> she bakes it in the oven.   She has used it to make all kinds of bread white 
> bread Italian bread wheat bread rye bread banana bread all kinds and they all 
> were delicious
> 
> 
> 
> On May 2, 2023, at 2:02 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
> 
> I don't want to talk anybody out of buying a bread maker if they really think 
> they want such a device, in fact I am guilty of buying into this fad back in 
> the late 90's when they first became popular.
> However, I would like to point out that making the kind of basic bread you 
> can make in a bread maker is really quite easy and really  all the bread 
> maker does is to combine 3 tasks which is to mix/knead, rise/proof the dough 
> and then bake.
> You still have to put the ingredients, typically flour, water, yeast,, a bit 
> of salt and potentially any seeds you may add into the bread maker. I would 
> highly recommend to read a bit about making bread, learn a few ground rules 
> about activating "active dry yeast" and try to mix/knead the dough, then let 
> it rise, punch it back down and let rise again and finally bake. It's a very 
> satisfying process and the results once you get the hang of it are better 
> than what comes out of a bread maker.
> There is of course an entire different area of bread making when you start 
> using sour dough and making heavy bread with flour such as spelt, Red Fife, 
> Einkorn or other ancient grains, but that type of bread can't be made in a 
> bread maker anyways.
> 
> My bread maker, it was from the brand "Regal", got used maybe a dozen times 
> and then it sat around for 10 or 15 years before I finally sold it for $25 on 
> Facebook.
> 
> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2023 12:31 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> Subject: RE: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
> 
>                                                                Use one by 
> Quisineart, it has physical buttons and defaults to 1 when turned off. You 
> should be able to get the hang of it, it has physical buttons and if you get 
> stuck can use Be My Eyes or IRA to read the screen. I enjoy mine though am 
> also following in case there is a better suggestion out there. 
> 
> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of 
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2023 3:01 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> Subject: RE: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
> 
> Hi I have herd of a talking bred maker that once exzisted but I have not seen 
> it my self. I would like to know this as well though. From Mich.
> 
> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Dan
> Sent: May 1, 2023 2:59 PM
> To: 'cwc' via VIPhone <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> >
> Subject: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Do any of you use or are you aware of any bread makers that are accessible 
> using bluetooth/wifi?  If so, what brands/models?
> 
> Also, other than smart machines do any of you use bread makers that are 
> physically accessible using buttons/knobs/dials etc?
> 
> Thanks.
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> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 01:48PM -0400
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4dce5f0cdf987
> I am nuts about heavy food, do not like stuff full of air, and I would dearly 
> love to enjoy some of that bread! 
> I, for one, never wanted to get a bread maker. My sister-in-law had one, and 
> her bread did not taste like home made bread; it tasted like store-bought 
> bread. 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 3:08 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
> I have a Kitchen Aid stand mixer for the mixing/kneading process since my 
> taste in bread is a bit different. I am originally from Germany and even 
> though I was born there and lived there until I was 22, I am 56 now which 
> means I have been in Canada for 34 years versus my 22 years in Germany. But 
> my taste for heavy German-style sourdough bread has not changed. I make 
> crusty rolls and do a lot of German-style cakes, but I have not yet tried my 
> hand at real sourdough bread because even though I live in a very small 
> community of a little over 5,000, we have a very skilled bread maker here. 
> She is Australian and not German, but she has a real wood fired oven and her 
> bread is as good as any from a traditional German bakery and while I want to 
> learn at some point, the fact is that she can do it vbetter than me.
> My Dad's cousin in Germany was a baker and his father was a baker and things 
> there are also changing as small artisan style bakeries disappear and more 
> and more stuff is made in large factories and sold in supermarket bakeries 
> and so on. I guess in many cases you like what you grow up with, I know 
> plenty of people here who can't understand how I like this heavy bread with a 
> crust where one quarter inch thick slice with a bit of ham and cheese on top 
> fills you up, some think it's sour and of course it has a hint of that as 
> does all sourdough bread, you can't toast it because it's just not that kind 
> of bread, but if I am away on holidays somewhere I can't get it then I can't 
> wait for my first fresh slice when I get home.
> 
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 11:45 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
> 
> A mixer and a neater but in the end the bread comes out great
> 
> 
>    On May 3, 2023, at 2:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:
>     
>    But then she basically uses the bread maker as nothing more than a mixer.
>     
>    From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
>    Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2023 6:42 AM
>    To: [email protected]
>    Subject: Re: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
>     
>    Hi everyone. 
>    I just wanted to put my two cents in here. 
>    My mom has used a bread maker to make delicious bread for at least 20 
> years.  She uses it to mix up and need the bread dough.  She then removes the 
> dough from the bread maker puts it in bread pans and lets it rise that way. 
> Then she bakes it in the oven.   She has used it to make all kinds of bread 
> white bread Italian bread wheat bread rye bread banana bread all kinds and 
> they all were delicious
>    
>    
>    
>    
>        On May 2, 2023, at 2:02 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>         
>        I don't want to talk anybody out of buying a bread maker if they 
> really think they want such a device, in fact I am guilty of buying into this 
> fad back in the late 90's when they first became popular.
>        However, I would like to point out that making the kind of basic bread 
> you can make in a bread maker is really quite easy and really  all the bread 
> maker does is to combine 3 tasks which is to mix/knead, rise/proof the dough 
> and then bake.
>        You still have to put the ingredients, typically flour, water, yeast,, 
> a bit of salt and potentially any seeds you may add into the bread maker. I 
> would highly recommend to read a bit about making bread, learn a few ground 
> rules about activating "active dry yeast" and try to mix/knead the dough, 
> then let it rise, punch it back down and let rise again and finally bake. 
> It's a very satisfying process and the results once you get the hang of it 
> are better than what comes out of a bread maker.
>        There is of course an entire different area of bread making when you 
> start using sour dough and making heavy bread with flour such as spelt, Red 
> Fife, Einkorn or other ancient grains, but that type of bread can't be made 
> in a bread maker anyways.
>         
>        My bread maker, it was from the brand "Regal", got used maybe a dozen 
> times and then it sat around for 10 or 15 years before I finally sold it for 
> $25 on Facebook.
>         
>        From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
>        Sent: Monday, May 1, 2023 12:31 PM
>        To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>        Subject: RE: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
>         
>                                                                        Use 
> one by Quisineart, it has physical buttons and defaults to 1 when turned off. 
> You should be able to get the hang of it, it has physical buttons and if you 
> get stuck can use Be My Eyes or IRA to read the screen. I enjoy mine though 
> am also following in case there is a better suggestion out there. 
>         
>        From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of 
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>        Sent: Monday, May 1, 2023 3:01 PM
>        To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>        Subject: RE: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
>         
>        Hi I have herd of a talking bred maker that once exzisted but I have 
> not seen it my self. I would like to know this as well though. From Mich.
>         
>        From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Dan
>        Sent: May 1, 2023 2:59 PM
>        To: 'cwc' via VIPhone <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> >
>        Subject: smart bread makers or else physically accessible
>         
>        Hi all,
>         
>        Do any of you use or are you aware of any bread makers that are 
> accessible using bluetooth/wifi?  If so, what brands/models?
>         
>        Also, other than smart machines do any of you use bread makers that 
> are physically accessible using buttons/knobs/dials etc?
>         
>        Thanks.
>         
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> Topic: Wireless pc headset specialized for zoom meeting
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> From: Robert Doc Wright <[email protected]>
> Date: May 03 06:02PM -0600
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/5a3788113b493
> The headset I recommended has a mute button on the left ear piece.
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> From: "Marco Chan" <[email protected]>
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> Subject: Re: Wireless pc headset specialized for zoom meeting
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> That is true! Thanks God that I am not picky! I couldn't afford to sit long 
> with my muscle degeneration. So I need a wireless headset for my meetings. 
> As long as it works well particularly muting or unmuting myself.
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> From: "Mr. Ed" <[email protected]>
> Date: May 03 07:14PM -0500
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> Jabra 45H
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> Hi folks! Any recommendation? 
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> From: "Marco Curralejo" <[email protected]>
> Date: May 04 10:51AM +1000
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/5a62032a0e374
> I use the same headset and yes, it is expensive, but honestly, it's the best 
> out there.
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> Subject: Re: Wireless pc headset specialized for zoom meeting
> The headset I recommended has a mute button on the left ear piece.
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> That is true! Thanks God that I am not picky! I couldn't afford to sit long 
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> As long as it works well particularly muting or unmuting myself.
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