Before I tell you all about the Netty and Guy story and thunder story, I've
never heard in all these many years from 1976 when I got my dog and all
these years of many friends attending the different guide dog schools
including leader dog, amoungst so many things that goes into a dog's
training in being fully prepared and ready to handle everything that comes
their way, I never heard of a guide dog school working with the dogs on fear
of thunder, but that's probably something that's included with so many other
things in their training and preparation for being a guide dog. Of course,
just like people dogs have other fears. Though it does seem comon that many
dogs have a fear of thunder and fire works, but just like common fears that
people have, amoungst dogs too, not every dog or person have those most
common fears. It would probably would be beneficial if the guide dog schools
worked with the dogs with the fear of thunder, and possibly many of the
schools are doing just that and we're not aware of that. That could be
important if you're either a block or 2 from home or a block or 2 from
transportation to get you home, it wouldn't be the best situation for your
dog to be very frightened. Though in a situation such as that hopefully it
would be great if there was a place very near by where you could wait until
the rain and thunder is over. So While this isn't a guide dog support group,
it would be a sad reflection on a guide dog school to asume that fears
including the fear of thunder isn't worked on with the dogs, especially on
what we individually know. Of all the dogs I've known, pet dogs and guide
dogs with the exception of one dog, all the dogs had a fear of thunder. It's
something that can vary from person to person, concerning the dogs they
know, for example another person might say, the majority dogs I know aren't
a fraid, or in terms of duge dogs, someone could say that they know 5 dogs
from such and such guide dog school that have no fear of thunder and 2 that
are afraid of thunder, and that they know 6 dogs from another guide dog
school where 3 of the dogs are afraraid of thunder and 3 that aren't. I
would habe to hear that would be the determining thing about one school
being better than the other, there's just so very manythings they work on
with preparing and training the dogs and of course all of that is something
we all know. Now for the Netty and Guy story, both guide dogs from guiding
eyes, Netty was my dog and she was a yellow labrador, and Guy was a german
shepherd that belonged to my friend Greg. Along with a few other fwith Greg,
at his apartment, It was the 4th of july in about 1979, you could hear fire
crackers and on top of that it began to thunder. Knowing how scared Netty
was of thunder storms I went to her, and found her lying on one of the
couches really scared. Then Guy came into the living room, and was just
walking around the room, to him everything was fine, just barking here and
there. Clearly he wasn't nervous or a fraid of the fire works and thunder,
and I was thinking it was as if he was trying to tell us something. Fast
forward about 6 months later, this one night, in our own apartment, it began
thundering and raining, this time it was different for netty, while she
seemed still a little nervous about the thunder, it was nothing like other
times when she was so scared of it, and she even barked somewhat like Guy
did. So we just know Guy must have been helping her not to be afraid of
thunder, and she remembered that and he helped her with that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning
alert
I also thought that was one of the things the dog schools screened dogs for,
but my husband and I have had three dogs, from Guiding Eyes and Seeing Eye,
and all of them had a real fear of thunderstorms. If we were outside
somewhere and it started to thunder, my husband's first dog would just plant
his feet and refuse to go any further. He would turn around and go back
home as fast as he could, but not go any further the other direction.
________________________________________
From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of
Sieghard Weitzel [[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning
alert
My first dog was from Leader Dogs, but that was a long time ago oin 1994,
then in 2005 I got my second dog from BC Guide Dog Services here in British
Columbia, Canada and that is also where I got my current dog in 2015.
My first and my current dogs are both yellow labs and my second one was a
black lab/golden retriever mix.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 11:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning
alert
I've known several dog guide owners whose dogs were terrified of thunder
storms.
Which school did yours come from?
Maybe they do a better job than some.
Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
Herbert
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 11:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning
alert
I was under the impression guide dog schools tested dogs for this, I have
had 3 dogs and none of them had any fear whatsoever of thunderstorms,
fireworks or gunshots.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Caitlyn Furness
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 8:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning
alert
The conbination of the thunder shirt and a crate vastly improved my GSd
seeing eye dog during thunderstorms and fireworks.
Caitlyn
On Jun 21, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Steve Sweeney <[email protected]> wrote:
O' just one more! I used a thunder Shirt with my first Seeing Eye dog all
the time. They have been around for almost 15 years. They work for some
dogs and not for others as much.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Jennie Facer
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 10:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE:
Lightning alert
I won’t try to keep this thread going, but thanks so much to Richard. I
will go way beyond to defend these wonderful creatures! I wasn’t trying to
start a flame fight or anuything like that. Thanks for clearing it all up.
Jenn
Jenn and Kumi
On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Richard Turner <[email protected]>
wrote:
How to Calm a Dog During Thunderstorms Beverly Ulbrich, MBA Dog
Behaviorist & Trainer March 25, 2020
Many dogs are terrified of thunderstorms. The loud noises, static
electricity, and barometric pressure changes cause fear, anxiety, and
panic. In this state, dogs can injure themselves and damage property.
Learn how to manage your dog's fear during this frightening storm,
and improve its response to the
Part 1
Calming Your Dog
Call your dog as the storm begins. Don't wait until the storm is fully
underway to find your dog. Call your dog to your side as soon as you hear
thunder.
Remain calm. Your dog can sense anxiety. If you are upset, your dog will
know, and this will only make matters worse.
During a storm, give your dog no indications that something is wrong.
Follow the same routine you would any other night. Smile and speak in a
calm, reassuring tone.
• Even reassuring the dog can convince it that something is wrong. Help
your dog by being calm and happy, not by overloading it with sympathy.
• Soft singing can help calm some dogs.
Find a safe place. Find a small "safe spot" for the dog to hide. Ideally,
this spot will block light and noise, while allowing the dog to be near
its owner.
Here are a few options:
• Under a table or bed
• In a dog crate, with a blanket draped over it • In a closet or
windowless bathroom
Swaddle your dog. Try wrapping a garment around your dog or let the dog
huddle under your arm on the sofa. Your dog may feel reassured by the
added pressure, much like a baby feels safe when swaddled. If this seems
to help, consider buying a special anti-anxiety garment, such as the
Thundershirt or Anxiety Wrap. The garment should be snug around the
dog's chest, but make sure you get one in the correct size for the best
result, to ensure the acupressure points throughout the body are being
targeted, and to avoid injuring your dog.
• Some of these garments (Anxiety Wrap) press against acupressure points
associated with stress relief.
• If you're in hot weather conditions and are concerned about your dog
overheating, some garments (Anxiety Wrap) can be moistened with water.
The air flowing through the moistened fabric will act as a cooling agent.
Always supervise your dog if you're concerned about health/safety.
• Some of these garments are also appropriate to put on your dog and
help him/her stay calm if you need to leave the house. Consult the
product directions for safety information.
Block the noise. A loud television, music, or other source of noise
(washing machine) can help drown out the thunder.
Choose a sound your dog finds familiar and comforting.
• Covering the dog's ears can also help.
Avoid windows and the outdoors. If possible, keep your dog away from
windows, or put up heavy curtains. Seeing the flash of lightning can be
an additional source of anxiety. Block the dog's access to exits, since
some scared dogs may try to run away or harm visitors.
Play games.
Encourage your dog to participate in indoor activities. You could
play fetch or put on music and dance together. Try to find an activity
that will turn your dog's attention away from the storm.
Consider home remedies. These include herbal and homeopathic remedies to
treat anxiety. Always use remedies specifically intended for dogs. Some
essential oils that work for humans may cause discomfort or injury in
animals. Less concentrated doses are usually required as well.
• Be sure to consult your veterinarian before using, the oils are
very concentrated and can be harmful to your skin as well as your dog's.
They can also damage furniture.
• Lavender is one popular option that seems to help dogs, when used in
the correct dose.
• Another option is petting your dog with a dryer sheet- it reduces
static.
Talk to your vet about medication. If these methods are ineffective, ask
your vet about anti-anxiety medications.
Your dog can take some medications such as amitriptyline for the duration
of the storm season. There are also quick-acting medications such as
acepromazine ("Ace") or diazepam that can be taken for individual storms.
• To be effective, quick-acting medications must be administered before
your dog exhibits any behavioral changes.
• Never give a dog medication without consulting a veterinarian first.
Part 2
Preventing Your Dog's Fear
Desensitize your dog.
To teach your dog that storms are nothing to fear, play a recording
of a thunderstorm on very low volume for several hours, once a week.
Each week, if the dog shows no signs of agitation, turn up the volume
slightly. It can take a long time for your dog to adapt, but eventually
your dog may learn not to fear thunder.
• If this agitates your dog too much, start with 5–10 minute daily
sessions instead.
Expert Trick: While you play thunder sounds for your dog, give them a
bone to chew on or toy to play with. Furthermore, you can give your
dog treats and give commands to keep their focus on you and make the
experience a happy occasion. This will help make thunderstorms seem like
a normal experience and keep them from getting scared during a real one.
Encourage calm behavior.
Give your dog a treat or a toy when it shows calm behavior during a
storm, or when it obeys a command despite its fear. Train it to respond
to a "relax,"
"calm," or "settle" command.
• Training your dog with an indoor leash is also highly effective.
For example, treat your house like an indoor obstacle course and lead
your dog around asking him/her to perform certain commands. If at any
time this appears to be causing more stress, stop, and work on calming
your dog.
Anticipate your dog's fear. To curb stress and anxiety, engage with
your dog before the storm hits. Prepare indoor activities, and make sure
your dog's safe place is set up.
• Do not punish a dog exhibiting fear or anxiety during a storm. This is
not bad behavior – your dog has a genuine phobia.
• Be patient and kind. It may take time for your dog to improve.
• If you know a thunderstorm is coming, let your dog outside to go to
the bathroom. Once the storm starts the dog is unlikely to go outside to
relieve itself.
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"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must
pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf
Of Shirley Baker
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 6:36 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Lightning alert
No, it's not. I happen to know some people who have used them on their
dogs and they say they help.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Janet Bell <[email protected]> wrote:
are you sure this just isn't a scam to get you to spend money?
-----Original Message----- From: Shirley Baker
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Lightning alert
The best I understand, it's not just any sweater or teashirt but it's a
certain kind you buy but someone who knows more can correct me if I'm
wrong. I've heard commercials on TV about buying these special items for
dogs.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Janet Bell <[email protected]> wrote:
forgive a stjupid question but what is putting a sweater on a dog when
there is lightening about going to do for the dog?
-----Original Message----- From: Jennie Facer
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Lightning alert
Simon,
If you were paying attention to this thread, a person was wanting to
put a sweater on her dog that makes her feel better when lightning
strikes and it is thundering. She is doing it for her dog!!!
Jenn
Jenn and Kumi
On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:49 AM, Simon A Fogarty <[email protected]>
wrote:
If an app is going to tell you when lightening has struck, I
don't see the point?
If it's struck then it's not an issue And if you're worried about
it striking you when you're out, Then if it's already struck, it
will be way to late to look at your phone as neither yu or your phone
will be working.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Jennie Facer
Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 9:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Lightning alert
Hi,
I have had Weather Gods for quite some time, and it has never alerted
me to when lightning has struck. Other than that, I love the app.
Jenn
Jenn and Kumi
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