Hi, If you were looking for a certain specific email, it would probably be quicker to use the search function in the Mail app: you would presumably know something about the message, such as who it was from, or what was in the subject line, so you could search for those words in the editfield. The scroll bar is more useful if you want to move through your list of messages in fairly big steps. For example, supposing I had been very ill at the beginning of April and had been unable to cope with emails for around a week: I may now wish to go back and deal with the messages that had come in around that time, so I could swipe down using the vertical scroll bar. After each swipe, which would move me down by 10%, I would touch the middle of the screen and listen to the date of the message that I landed on; once I got close to the date I wanted, such as 1 April in my example, I would then use the three-finger swipe up or down in order to find the messages with that date. Of course, you can also filter your emails so that you only see unread messages, but that's not strictly related to the scroll bar. I'm probably making this sound more complicated than it is, and sorry if my example is a bit contrived, but I think you'll get the idea. The scroll bar is just one tool among others, but I find that it can be very useful in many situations: today I used it to navigate more quickly through a food delivery app, for example. Best, Nicky
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: 06 June 2020 18:45 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about finding say a certain email. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Shirley, > Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the shift > in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a couple of examples > of how I use it. > As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running down the > right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a list (or a > document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the vertical scroll bar, > VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". When you swipe down on the > scroll bar with one finger, it moves you down through the list in increments > of 10%; so however long your list or page may be, you can get from top to > bottom with just ten one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up > using three fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, > just a screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the > list and locate what you're looking for. > One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. In > the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 999, with > a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read the channels > starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical scroll bar and swipe > down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far off. I touch the middle of the > screen to read one of the channel numbers currently displayed, and I can then > use the three-finger swipe up or down to find the exact location. If I were > to do a three-finger swipe through the whole list, it would take me far > longer, as each screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't > find it that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm > inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the screen before > continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical scroll bar. > I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have far too > many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up. Obviously I > can search for a specific message, but I may just want to look at the emails > that I received around a certain time. Again, the three-finger swipe would > take ages. > I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or newspaper > article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages as well, as it > can often be difficult to navigate through the whole page by headings. In > many situations I can do a three-finger tap on the middle of the screen to > hear roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to 41 of 72"; next time I want to find > that location, I use the scroll bar to go to 50%, and I know I won't be far > out. > Note that the scroll bar works in the opposite direction to the three-finger > swipe: you swipe down on the scroll bar, but up when using the traditional > swipe gesture, to move from the top to the bottom. > I hope that made some sense - if not, let me know and I'll try to clarify. > HTH, > Nicky > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Shirley Baker > Sent: 06 June 2020 05:56 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window > > What long lists might you be referring to because I just don't understand how > to use this. Maybe you could explain to where it would make sense please. > q > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Nicola Sanders <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >> Maybe I'm the only one, but personally I love the vertical scroll bar! I >> find it really useful for navigating very long lists - much quicker than >> endless three-finger swiping. Perhaps it should be an option in Settings. >> Best, >> Nicky >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >> Of Carolyn >> Sent: 05 June 2020 20:35 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window Boy I would >> too! >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 2:16 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window I would like >> the option. To hide the vertical scrol lbar. >> Dave. >> From: Anne West <mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2020 6:30 PM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window I agree. It >> seems the world is suddenly camera happy. I would like to get rid of that >> info too. It’s annoying. >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >> Of Afik Souffir >> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:40 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window Hi Ann, I >> dont think that its have an option for this. >> Sent from my Iphone >>> On 5 Jun 2020, at 16:35, Ann Byrne <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> On the texting screen, there is all kinds of clutter including the names >> of other apps, camera, record, and so on. 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