John,
Who do you yourself think you yourself are? Saying, Think twice is simply a habitual way to say. You are not alone to whom I use to quote it. Plus, I am not alone in quoting that; Rich is another one. I want you and the folks here to realize what was said stands correct. I care less about music, videos, and some of the apps. I have no interest in music. Too much of music is enough. That is why I said iTunes should be used in a more narrow way, not mixing it with apps where music is not mentioned. That is simply ridiculous and should be changed for the better. John, you have a lot yet to learn. If you, John, or anyone do/does not like what I said, that is too bad for y’all. This concludes. Thanks. Todd From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Todd, You keep telling us to think twice? I think you are the one who needs to do this. Everyone is making the point that there are apps that are preferred and used, and to say Apple forces too many on their customers is, again, a very general and subjective statement based on your personal opinion. You keep saying not all the apps, yet you infer that there are more than enough that shouldn’t be on the devices at all. Yet, it has been repeatedly stated that many customers Want those apps present on their devices. So, how is Apple wrong? Most of them can be deleted in iOS 10, and those that cannot be removed can be conveniently placed elsewhere and don’t consume the kind of space on a device as probably was the case when we only had 8 and 16 GB models out there. I have 128 GB on my iPhone, so a few stock apps placed in folders is not using any real estate I’m personally worried about. At this point, I think a lot of people are only filling devices with video and audio far more than the applications. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Todd Patkus <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Victor, You are missing. I never said “all”. I mean it because not all the apps do for me. I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use their products. That is just full of bologna. Yes, they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them! Think twice. From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Todd, they are useless to you. I happen to use Health, home, and entertainment. Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you can make blanket statements like the one you used. Victor From: Todd Patkus Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Mary, Wait a minute. I never said I want them “all” gone. I said that most of the apps like Home, Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless. Therefore, you are missing something. Yes, you have the wrong impression that I want them all gone. Not true! That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway. They do not know what they are thinking. they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for nothing. That is it. From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, just in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I don't have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they should do everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of entitlement coming for one guy. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: Sieghard, You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items. I do not care. That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be omitted. I do not need that. What a real waste! Do not overlook this one! Todd From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected][ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:56 PM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi John, I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which I then have on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular bases as many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that only one person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. Regards, Sieghard From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected][ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Website, <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: Sieghard, The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. Think twice. Thanks. Todd From: <mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]> [email protected][mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi Mary, Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in it right now and it goes away. Regards, Sieghard From: <mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]> [email protected][mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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