Chris;

I believe the iPhone (SE) is the same size as your (4S).


Sent from my Verizon iPhone SE

> On Jun 20, 2016, at 9:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Well, I am finally thinking it's time to move up to a new phone. The battery 
> has held up quite well on my 4S though. I can still get through a day without 
> a charge. I am able to save some power during the day though. My employer 
> provides me with a iPhone 5, so I use it during the day for almost all of my 
> texting, email checking, calendaring and phone calling. Meanwhile, with my 
> 4S, I can turn off wifi, since we don't have public wifi at my office, and 
> bluetooth, since I don't use a bluetooth device with it during the day.
> 
> I agree things don't last forever, and Apple needs to move on and jettison 
> support for older phones. That being said, I did pay a lot for this phone, 
> and Apple proved with IOS 9, that you can upgrade an operating system and 
> still improve performance on an older device. I'm wondering if I'd be looking 
> as longingly at newer phones right now if I knew IOS 10 would still run on my 
> 4S.
> 
>> On 20/06/16 08:47, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> I think it's more the experience Apple wants users to have. Yes, they could 
>> probably disable features the 4S may have problems with like, for example, 
>> the face and object recognition on pictures. They said that iOS does 11 
>> Billion computations on a single picture and it is all done on device so 
>> it's not that powerful servers in the cloud do the work and just provide the 
>> results back to the device. But I guess if many of the new and advanced 
>> features of iOS 10 would be disabled on a 4S there may just not be that much 
>> reason to support it. Considering that the 4S is now 5 years old, I also 
>> assume that as a percentage of iPhones out there not that many of them are 
>> 4S phones any more. Anyhow, I guess Apple has to draw the line somewhere, if 
>> they support the 4S others may say then why not support the 4. I actually 
>> think it's amazing they have supported the 4S for this long, the 4S came 
>> with iOS 5 so it was able to run 4 more versions of iOS after the one it 
>> came out with, show me another
> mobile phone that had this kind of support. Anyhow, iOS 9 is pretty good and 
> people who still have a 4S that runs good can still run it with iOS 9 for 
> years to come I assume although they may have to replace the battery since I 
> doubt that a 4S that was bought in 2011 still holds a charge for that long. I 
> have a friend who bought a 3GS in 2009 and he used it until he bought a 5S in 
> 2013, so for 4 years, and while he of course wanted the newer faster phone, 
> he also said that he only got a few hours of use out of the phone at that 
> point. A friend in Germany said her son just bought a fairly inexpensive 
> battery kit which came with the special screwdriver which iks required to 
> open the iPhone and instructions and he would able to replace the battery on 
> his iPhone (can't remember the model) himself, but I would say most people 
> can't or would not do this.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:30 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?
>> 
>> I'm not sure who does do artificial deprecation of hardware, but I am a bit 
>> disappointed that my 4S may no longer be supported. I'm not sure if there's 
>> something in the 4S that Apple no longer wants to code support for or if 
>> it's because they don't want users to get a less than great experience on an 
>> Apple device. It may also be that they want to save some money by not taking 
>> any support questions on the 4S or by doing any regression testing on it. 
>> I'd be willing to try IOS 10 on it to see how it performced if Apple would 
>> let me though. I'd do this even if Apple told me it hadn't been tested and 
>> wouldn't be supported and I was on my own giving it a try.
>> 
>> Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I had the run I did on my 4S, but I compare 
>> this to my netbook from 2009 that still running the latest Linux or my 
>> laptop from 2011 that's also running the latest Linux but also able to run 
>> Windows 10.
>> 
>>> On 19/06/16 18:04, Devin Prater wrote:
>>> Yep, and I think that shows that Apple doesn’t do artificial
>>> deprecation of hardware.
>>> Sent from my Mac.
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 1:37 PM, christopher hallsworth
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My prediction, iOS 11 will work on the 5s and up. iOS 12, 6 and up,
>>>> etc etc. But Apple did surprise us last year when they announced all
>>>> devices running iOS 8 could run iOS 9. So what I put here is only
>>>> speculation.
>>>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 02:43, Gerardo Corripio <[email protected]
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> At least maybe until iOS11 probably by September of 2018 when iOS12
>>>>> comes out maybe it won't be supported anymore?
>>>>> 
>>>>> El 16/06/2016 03:28 p.m., Donna escribió:
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you know how much longer the iPhone 5s will be supported? I'm
>>>>>> considering getting my soon to be teenager an iPhone 5s for
>>>>>> Christmas. I don't want to purchase her a phone that will only be
>>>>>> supported for a short time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> Final update? For the iPhone 5? All we know is that the iPhone 4s
>>>>>>> is due for its “final update” very soon, 9.3.3, before it will be
>>>>>>> considered “obsolete”. Can’t believe it has survived this far.
>>>>>>> iPhone 5, however, will have at least one more year of software
>>>>>>> support since iOS 10 will run on it and will be the oldest iPhone
>>>>>>> to support this upcoming major release.
>>>>>>>> On 16 Jun 2016, at 19:54, Michael McKay<[email protected]
>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi folks: I am wondering if anyone knows when the final iOS
>>>>>>>> update is out for the iPhone 5. I have been told that there is
>>>>>>>> one more major update coming out for the iPhone 5 and then there
>>>>>>>> would be no more, and then I would upgrade my phone to an iPhone
>>>>>>>> 6 Plus, 6S plus or seven. If someone could get back to me and let
>>>>>>>> me know about the iPhone 5 final update it would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks much!
>>>>>>>> Michael G. McKay BA, '05.
>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 15:32, Krister
>>>>>>>>> Ekstrom<[email protected]
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Confirmed here too. Tried the link and got a ”delivery failed”
>>>>>>>>> notice here too.
>>>>>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 16 juni 2016 kl. 19:37 skrev Michael G
>>>>>>>>>> McKay<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi! Mr. Mosen:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I just tried to subscribe to the email group you mentioned. And
>>>>>>>>>> it returned saying that the delivery failed permanently. I used
>>>>>>>>>> the subscribe link you provided for the list.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Assistance would be very much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks much in advance.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Michael G. McKay BA, ’05.
>>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: June 16, 2016 1:44 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys, for three or four years, I've been running an email
>>>>>>>>>> list for registered developers and, as of last year, public
>>>>>>>>>> beta testers of iOS.
>>>>>>>>>> It's very focussed and has a lot of experienced testers, but if
>>>>>>>>>> you think you can contribute, you can send a blank email to:
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>>>>>>>>> Mosen Consulting
>>>>>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>>>>>>>> http://Mosen.org
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/06/2016, at 12:28 AM, Liel Ben Simon ליאל בן
>>>>>>>>>>> סימון<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! The beta of the developers is different from publick beta.
>>>>>>>>>>> Only in the publick beta there is a feedbeck app.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from  my iphone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ‫ב-16 ביוני 2016, בשעה 15:20, ‏‏Shawn Krasniuk
>>>>>>>>>>> ‏<[email protected]>  כתב/ה:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think for your case, they'd make an exception. You
>>>>>>>>>>>> know Matt Dierckens right? Maybe shoot him an email asking if
>>>>>>>>>>>> developer testers are discluded from that list. If you don't,
>>>>>>>>>>>> email me off list and I'll gladly send you his email address.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle:
>>>>>>>>>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>> Facetime: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Krister
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ekstrom<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm interesting, this means i will be excluded from the beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>> testers list if i get that question because i’m a registered
>>>>>>>>>>>>> developer and use developer betas and have never had the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback assistant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 juni 2016 kl. 04:48 skrev Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krasniuk<[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chris. I gotta interject with you here. Being that I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the members of the beta list, it's not breaking NDA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at all. Only beta testers can subscribe to that list. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderators ask questions like where your Feedback Assistant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app is and if you don't have one, they'll automatically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject your request to join. Just thought I'd clear that up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and yes, iOS 10 was available for developers as a beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the WWDC keynote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facetime: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Christopher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaltain<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's true, but people are perfectly free to discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever Apple has announced, which would include any new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility features  that were announced during the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers summit. I'm not sure there's an IOS 10 beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet, so no one could talk about what they're seeing in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beta anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, talking about Apple's beta software, even on a beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, is still violating Apple's NDA with beta users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/06/16 07:12, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi. Unfortunately, no one is allowed to post anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about purelease software on this list. There is however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a beta discussion group that a couple list members created.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't remember the address offhand to subscribe to that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:24 AM, 'Ming' via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VIPhone<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone know that any new features in accessibility  side
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of IOS 10?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks and regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> msn/window live messenger [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chungchiming9950
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face book:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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