> > From: Tony Mechelynck <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: AT&T shutting down listmail > > On 02/02/13 21:23, toothpik wrote: > > On January 27 I stopped receiving vim list mail in my ISP's inbox. (My > > ISP is AT&T). > > After logging in to my account in Firefox I found over 300 vim emails in > > my Spam folder. > > After moving those to my Inbox, fetchmail was able to retrieve them for > > me the normal > > way, but since then no vim mail whatsoever has gone into my Spam folder > > or my Inbox. > > > > Calling the company you descend into automated-voice-response hell, and > > when you > > get to a human you're guaranteed they are reading from scripts written > > for Windows or > > Mac only, and you will never connect with anyone who will admit they are > > performing > > spam filtering. > > > > They offer a feature they call SpamGuard, which I have verified and > > re-verified is turned > > off, but I receive no spam in the account at all. No spam whatsoever > > (!) with SpamGuard > > disabled. So they are classifying spam for me, and in their infinite > > wisdom they have > > decided the vim mail is spam and I am not to send or receive it. Yes, I > > tried to send to > > the list an email similar to this and it never got here. > > > > So -- anyone thinking about signing up AT&T as their ISP, specifically > > with the Uverse > > service, consider that they will be chipping away at the services they > > provide and > > deciding for you what you get to see. When I started with SWBell they > > hosted my > > web page for me. Then they morphed into AT&T, and I morphed into > > Uverse, and > > suddenly no more web hosting, oh, and they stopped serving usenet -- I > > have to pay > > a third party for that. Now I can neither send nor receive vim mail. > > What's > > next? Peer-to-peer comes to mind... > > > > This is a bad trend -- AT&T is probably the largest service provider in > > the country, > > and arguably the most pig-headed, and they seem to be on a path to > > reduce services > > and remold the internet in their image. > > > > Uverse does provide the best cable available -- my television works > > during storms, > > unlike satelite providers, and while I can't claim there have been no > > outages, they have > > less outages than cable, and are very responsive when you call about one. > > > > Anyone with any ideas how I can get back to sending and receiving from > > my "real" > > ISP please share... > > > > sc > > I don't know AT&T but I'll tell you what I do about gmail which is what I > use. With some luck, it might give you inspiration. > > Normally I get gmail mail by POP3 which means it arrives in SeaMonkey Mail > (but it could be Thunderbird or Opera or Outlook Express or etc.) just the > same way as mail from my skynet.be account. However, from time to time I use > my browser to log into the gmail webmail page and do the following: - in the > "Spam" folder, mark false positives (legit mail erroneously detected as spam) > as "not spam", which moves them to the Inbox where the next poll of my Gmail > POP server will find them. It also teaches the Bayesian filters so that > similar mail will henceforward run less chance of being detected as spam. - in > the "Trash" folder (containing mail I already got by POP), mark false > negatives (i.e. mail which should have been detected as spam but wasn't) as > "spam" in order to teach the Bayesian filters, so that next time, similar > messages will have a higher chance of being detected as spam. This also moves > these messages to the "spam" folder. > > After some time, doing this repeatedly teaches the Gmail spam filters what > kind of mail I regard as spam and what kind I regard as nonspam. The result is > pretty good but never perfect. > > If there's no way you can get list mail to your AT&T account, I suppose > the workaround is to subscribe to the list via some other account such as the > yahoo account with which you posted the message to which I'm replying now. You > should be able to get Yahoo mail without going through AT&T.
Which is how we are having this conversation right now. > Whether you can > _send_ Yahoo mail without going through the AT&T SMTP servers is a different > question: for instance my ISP blocks me from sending anything on any of the > various SMTP ports (with or without SSL/TLS) to any IP address except its own > SMTP servers, so I have to send my "gmail" outgoing mail through the > "relay.skynet.be" SMTP server. Again, I don't know AT&T, so I don't know how > closely it watches your outgoing connections. Unfortunately they are letting nothing through with which I might train their filters -- nothing at all is going into my Spam folder, nothing spam, or vim related in my Inbox. It's not a bayesian filter, it's a drunken block. I might have had a slight window of opportunity when I had the 300 vim emails in Spam if instead of moving them to Inbox I had attempted to train their system, but at this point I feel so helpless I just want a real ISP. sc -- -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_use" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
