Hi Yoav,

We don't have existing metrics that would help here, and I honestly don't
even know what we would track for this specific issue (detecting that a
certain exception came from eval, for example, isn't something we currently
track).

Bug reports are how we tend to track issues like this. And fwiw my
intuition matches Sathya & Ross's (that this is very unlikely to cause
problems in practice).

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 9:42 PM Yoav Weiss <y...@yoav.ws> wrote:

> LGTM2
>
> Do we have metrics in place in case we got it wrong and sites do rely on
> eval's error types in weird and unexpected ways? Or we're relying on bug
> reports to alert us of that?
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:34 AM Chris Harrelson <chris...@chromium.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I see. Given that lack of interop, I do agree that probably sites are not
>> relying on the current behavior, and if they are then they are likely not
>> interoperable.
>>
>> LGTM1 to try.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 3:02 PM Ross Kirsling <rkirsl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:42 Chris Harrelson <chris...@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi again,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the slow response.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 7:17 AM Sathya Gunasekaran <gsat...@chromium.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't expect to see code that special cases against ReferenceError
>>>>> in the wild especially for just early errors. I expect to see code
>>>>> that handles both ReferenceErrors and SyntaxErrors. Since we're not
>>>>> adding a new type of error, I wouldn't expect to see any breakage.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any data to support this? Are there any use counters for
>>>> how often this situation might occur? e.g. what fraction of pages
>>>> trigger ReferenceErrors?
>>>> Also, have any other browsers shipped this change yet?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The concern here is purely around *early* ReferenceError. Since
>>> ReferenceError has been ambiguous between parse time and runtime, it would
>>> have been extremely difficult/fragile to use this information—as mentioned,
>>> one would need to string-match on error messages. (I think folks are hung
>>> up on the phrase "observable concern", but I meant this to indicate that
>>> there's something non-cosmetic to be *gained*, not that there's worry about
>>> breakage.)
>>>
>>> The new behavior shipped in Safari TP 83 three weeks ago, and it's
>>> important to note that the major engines were not previously in alignment
>>> anyway. V8 was conforming to spec, but JSC actually had *late*
>>> ReferenceError for all four cases and SM was split (`0++` and `0--` were
>>> early SyntaxError while `0 = 0` and `0 += 0` were early ReferenceError).
>>>
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