--On Sunday, January 29, 2023 14:32 +0000 "Salz, Rich"
<rs...@akamai.com> wrote:
> I think this is all pretty misguided, tbh. There are hot
> beverage domain names on the loose, and we are not going to
> reign them in. Just accept it.
>
> We don't have to document things for them to do.
I have been working, intermittently on another long note,
thanking Patrik for an excellent summary of IDNA2008 and issues
orthogonal to my earlier long notes and doing some analysis of
the Unicode stability polices; changes to Unicode before they
were adopted that were, IMO, far greater than the IDNA2003 ->
IDNA2008 transition; and how those policies (which could not be
adopted much earlier without Unicode self-destructing) can be
seen as leading directly to UTS#46.
However, I think Rich is basically correct and that this
discussion is not going to get us or the WG anywhere. FWIW,
when Patrik, Vint, or I complain about emoji in identifiers, we
are actually not very concerned about a single hot beverage icon
but about things closer to Patrik's "rainbow flag", the
difference between three dogs and a three-headed dog, and
variations on the "vomiting cowboy" [1] theme that are actually
possible given the use of ZWJ. The problem there is whether one
can draw an appropriate line... but neither Unicode nor UTS#46
even attempt to draw it.
Again to Rich's point, the issue with the WG, its charter, and
PKIX is probably, in practical terms, even more important then
debates about whether IDNA2008 or UTS#46 is the better
specification, which one better represents common practice, or
(as part of the "common practice" question) which applications
"count" and which do not.
>From my standpoint because I'd like to see the work get done, it
is a little sad, but the documents that Patrik describes are not
part of this WG's scope either.
So, echoing Rich in other terms, can the WG move on and let
Vint, Patrik, and myself get back to whatever else we should be
doing?
thanks,
john
[1] https://xkcd.com/1813/
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