> On 20 Apr 2017, at 22:51, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net> wrote: > > Hi Vishal, > > Ok, I misunderstood you in your first email. I understood the opposite. I > thought you were complaining that have 2 notions (page name + page title) was > confusing but it’s actually the opposite! What you find confusing is the fact > that it’s not easy for your users to set both the page name and page titles! > > It’s funny (or not :)) since this is exactly what we had in past versions of > XWiki and we had several complaints that it was confusing to have the 2 > notions and this is why he hid the page name only for advanced users.
Actually, if I remember well, what we were doing was to ask for the page name and we were setting the title to the same as the page name by default and then the user could edit the title before saving the page. We’ve now done the opposite (user deciding on the title and page name being derived from it) but leading to the issue you’re raising about URL SEO… Thanks -Vincent > See below. > >> On 20 Apr 2017, at 14:20, Vishal <thewikinote...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks Vincent for your thorough reply.. >> You guessed it right. We intend to have clean and short urls for SEO >> reasons. >> Current scheme creates two problems: >> >> 1) The Page name is fetched automatically from the Title. Often the titles >> have spaces which translate as *percent characters *in url which makes it >> somewhat unclean :) > > Indeed you’re right. By hiding the page name we’re now incitating to have > longer URLs and encoded characters showing up in URLs which is not nice I > agree. > > Maybe one solution is to do something similar to what we do in AWM, i.e. > generate automatically the URL from the title entered by the user and show > the resulting URL to the user and give the user the opportunity to change the > URL. > > See > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Extension/App%20Within%20Minutes%20Application/AppWithinMinutes-Step1.png > >> 2) Secondly, to have the shorter url, we use only the short forms of >> complete title. >> Ex. For title 'Pune University' we use name PU. > > Hey, you’re from Pune? :) I’ve been there about 15 times! That was in a > previous job where my company and KPIT Cummins were partners. > >> Otherwise in this hierarchy of pages, the url would be much longer. >> Ex. We have page 'Electronics and Telecommunications' branch under page >> 'Pune University'. We should not have such a long url. Instead here we need >> PU/ENTC or Pune-University/ENTC >> >> To avoid all this, what we currently do: >> 1) On create page dialog, use PU as title.. This will create url as PU. >> If full name is used here as title, we need to use - instead of spaces to >> avoid percent characters in url. >> 2) While in edit mode, change the title back to Pune University. Remove any >> - characters to make title clean. >> This is where confusion creeps in. >> >> If these two terms create confusion, why I need to show them both: >> I guess the *confusion is due to term Name*. It doesn't reflect actual usage >> of the term. URL or weblink or link or web address would be more apt terms >> to use to instead of Name. > > Regarding Page name vs Page URL. > > A bit of history: The reason we used page name and not page URL originally is > because what the user is creating is a document in the database and initially > it was called Document Name. Since that was a bit confusing for users, we had > decided to call it Page Name. It just happened that the URL used was directly > derived from the document/page name. > > In practice the 3 concepts could have different values: > * a value for the document’s name in the DB > * another value for the document’s title > * yet another value used in the URL. > > We’ve had discussions so that we could let the user provide shorter URLs for > pages in the future. > > Now for the time being and since we don’t have this ATM, I think I agree with > you that we could decide to display to the user the URL that will be > generated (the encoded URL) and allow the user to change it. Internally the > user would change the document name. > >> My users can differentiate between Title and URL. But the whole procedure we >> follow is certainly not understandable by all. And we definitely need to >> follow this whole long procedure, just to have short and clean urls. > > Yes, if you’re asking your users to care about the URLs that get generated, > right now they need to be advanced users to be able to edit the page name in > the Create Page UI (since changing the title afterwards is too cumbersome). > >> So, by showing both fields at the first place itself, I would like to >> shorten the procedure and url length. > > I’m in agreement with you. Let’s see what others think. > > Thanks for this interesting discussion! > -Vincent > >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/Page-Title-and-Name-confusion-tp7603546p7603551.html >> Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
