I am trying to configure log4j logging, but when I remove the
conf/logging.properties file I get the following error in catalina.out and
nothing more. 

Could not find the main class: .  Program will exit.
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)

Googling around I found that the logging.properties files missing causes the
problem (multiple posts) but if I dont remove I still see the commons
loggings file output even though I have replace the juli jar files  in both
CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE with the versions downloaded from
bin/extras. Any ideas on what I should check next. I'm guessing it is stil
trying to use commons logging instead of log4j, but not sure why,. 
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