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Thanks Filip, I see this is your baby, clearly a guru..
I have missed the history here and actually didnt even realize there were
competing specs.
I now see what the technology is about, the joggling of blocking and events,
threads are cool, but blocking is easy and they
tossing the 2 concepts into various combinations...
The practical implementation I still struggle with, maybe one day a need
will fall onto my desk, and Comet will jump up as a solution.
I also realize that my post to Bill in terms of this technology is way off,
but to me extreme control like this, if made slightly more generic,
ie not just Http... would mean Tomcat is also applicable to extreme
solutions...
I can hear Christopher, saying "please no, questions like we have a video
server in one Servlet, and Ldap server in another... how can we"... ha ha
..... thanks very much.... Tomcat is simply the best...
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Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: NIO Java or TC - What are u using it 4?
Johnny Kewl wrote:
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Subject: Re: NIO Java or TC - What are u using it 4?
you're subject has an "or" in it, what are you actually asking?
What kind of projects make one want to move away from normal HttpServlets
and start
using the NIO stuff that TC has... I understand that it gives one all
sorts of async control
over the servlet... but I just cant think of examples of when one would
use it.
Occasionally I see a question or two here, and I'm wondering what
practical things
designers are using these "power" sockets for.
There are lots of articles like this one....
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-nioserver/
ok, well most likely the servlet spec will one of these days introduce non
blocking IO as well, but it will be while, it's a very complex
programming model, and in most cases one doesn't need it. if you want
async servlets (ie, decouple threads from the connection) then as Bill
mentioned, Comet will do an excellent job.
switching to something like the link above, you're now dealing with
software outside the spec, which in some cases is not a problem, but in
other cases can have consequences for a growing project, or a project that
needs to be integrated elsewhere.
They espouse the "power" side... but no concrete examples of
applications...
Its not like people are all diving at it... so I'm wondering if there are
times when its the only way to go...
Also in TC there is another APR handler, how does that relate to NIO,
when will one want to use any of these
over the normal, and when APR and when NIO?
Just trying to understand it... practical examples sounds like a good way
to start...
Thanks...
To give you an example of the different connectors and how they differ, in
a one-to-one scenario, NIO will always be slower, since it has to do
"simulated blocking" to accomodate the current servlet spec. When it comes
to SSL, no java connector compares to the APR/OpenSSL, JSSE is simply not
optimized enough (yet).
Java Blocking Connector Java Nio Blocking Connector
APR Connector
Classname Http11Protocol Http11NioProtocol
Http11AprProtocol
Tomcat Version 3.x 4.x 5.x 6.x 6.x
5.5.x 6.x
Support Polling NO YES
YES
Polling Size N/A Unlimited - Restricted by
mem Unlimited
Read HTTP Request Blocking Non Blocking
Blocking
Read HTTP Body Blocking Sim Blocking
Blocking
Write HTTP Response Blocking Sim Blocking
Blocking
SSL Support Java SSL Java SSL
OpenSSL
SSL Handshake Blocking Non blocking
Blocking
Max Connections maxThreads See polling size
See pollsize
Filip
Filip
Johnny Kewl wrote:
Cant contain my curiousity anymore?
What practical applications is this been used for?
I see theres a lot of control over the socket etc... but what are you
guys actually doing with it?
Trying to get rule of thumb for when one would move to it?
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