Great info Rainer - thanks very much.

Ian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rainer Jung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 June 2007 16:53
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: Two IIS web servers
> 
> Phi-Long LE wrote:
> > Ian,
> >
> > reading optional directives you should probably use the
> > worker.xxx.method, its value is Request, session, traffic or busyness
> 
> Default is request. For most use cases this should work best.
> 
> How does it work?
> 
> 1) Multiple Web server instances do not share any information about
> load. So they decide completely independently.
> 
> 2) request method: mod_jk counts the requests going to each worker and
> whenever a request has no session associated it chooses the worker with
> the smallest number. The first request after every 60 seconds will
> trigger a maintenance cycle, which divides all counters by 2, such that
> historic data gets less important. If you use load factors, the
> counters
> get adjusted by the load factors. Bigger load factors will result in
> bigger load (and smaller increments to the counters).
> 
> 3) If a worker comes back after error, it will start with the biggest
> of
> the actual counters, to prevent it from getting a request storm.
> 
> 4) busyness method: this looks at the number of request which are
> actually in the middle of processing. Could be OK for download sites,
> but usually does not work that well. Especially bad, if your side is
> not
> high traffic.
> 
> 5) traffic: the same as request method, but counts bytes transferred
> instead of requests done. The bytes are only added after the requests
> have finished, so if you have long running downloads, the byte counters
> will ot change for a long time and then change a lot.
> 
> Having multiple instances work independently should be no problem, if
> statistics count: this means: you have a lot of traffic, and the
> percentage of requests without sessions is not too small. In other
> words: you have a lot of users and the sessions are not taking to long.
> 
> Load balancing might run into asymmetries, if you have very long
> lasting
> in house sessions and very different types of users. Then some heavily
> used sessions might produce the most load.
> 
> On the other hand: as long as you only operate two backends, the
> quality
> of the load balancing might not be very important, because out of
> availybility considerations usually one of the two nodes should be able
> to handle the maximum load. :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rainer
> 
> >
> > Le 21/06/2007 16:00, Ian Buzer a écrit :
> >> Thanks for that Rainer.
> >>
> >> How about when a new session comes in? Does mod_jk obtain
> information
> >> from
> >> each Tomcat about its current load, or does it base it on the number
> of
> >> requests that that particular instance of mod_jk has forwarded to
> >> Tomcat? If
> >> it's the latter, is this likely to cause problems?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Ian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rainer Jung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> Sent: 21 June 2007 15:50
> >>> To: Tomcat Users List
> >>> Subject: Re: Two IIS web servers
> >>>
> >>> Yes, this will work. The only bad thing will be, that the requests
> >>> belonging to one session will be logged partially on both of the
> IIS
> >>> instances, so if you try to debug a problem, you always need to
> look at
> >>> both IIS servers.
> >>>
> >>> Stickyness works like this:
> >>>
> >>> - you set a unique jvmRoute in the engine element of server.xml
> >>> - Tomcat appends the jvmRoute to each sessionid it generated, with
> a
> >>> dot
> >>> as a separator
> >>> - mod_jk load balancer looks for a session id whenever it receives
> a
> >>> request and strips of the routing string behind the dot
> >>> - if mod_jk finds such a routing strings, the load balancer
> searches
> >>> for
> >>> a worker with the same name or with a route attribute with the same
> >>> value and sends it there
> >>>
> >>> So mod_jk does not hold any state information about where which
> session
> >>> lies. Every request carries the information with it.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Rainer
> >>>
> >>> Ian Buzer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I currently have one IIS server balancing requests to two Tomcats
> >>>>
> >>> using JK
> >>>
> >>>> 1.2. I am using JK to provide sticky sessions and all is working
> >>>>
> >>> well.
> >>>
> >>>> I would like to be able share requests across a second IIS server,
> >>>>
> >>> however I
> >>>
> >>>> am unable to create sticky sessions at the web server level so
> >>>>
> >>> requests
> >>>
> >>>> could go to either web server.
> >>>>
> >>>> My question is, if I point both IIS servers to both Tomcats, will
> >>>>
> >>> this work
> >>>
> >>>> correctly? Will the sessions still get directed to the correct
> >>>>
> >>> Tomcat, and
> >>>
> >>>> will the two JKs still be able to choose the best worker for new
> >>>>
> >>> sessions?
> >>>
> >>>> Many thanks
> >>>> Ian
> 
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