John,
On 11/2/22 12:41, John Dale (DB2DOM) wrote:
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I love some of the newer hardware, too, but even Raspberry Pi is not
yet 64 bit, is it?
It depends on which one. The Wikipedia article on RPi lists 4 different
units, 3 of which are 64-bit.
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Can an old 32 bit machine do modern encryption for telecommunications?
Yes.
Why are we still paying so much for phone service?
Because we (presumably; I do) live in the US. Elsewhere in the world,
it's much better. We are being charged high rates simply because we fail
to refuse to do so.
Why aren't our high school grads capable of re-soldering components
from these old boards and assembling them into something better and
rewriting the software?
Some of them are, but most of them are not. It takes knowledge and skill
and desire. Soldering boards isn't on the top-ten list of most
graduating high-school seniors.
If you are bemoaning the Linux kernel dropping support for i486, you
might want to read about /why/ they are doing it.
-chris
On 11/2/22, Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
John,
On 10/27/22 11:03, John Dale (DB2DOM) wrote:
Does anyone know of a report detailing how much of this older hardware
is still out there and floating around?
You mean like a list of all pieced of hardware ever sold and never
scrapped?
I think that would be practically impossible.
I have a Palm 7 on a box in my office that has never been inventoried by
anybody and could possibly be plugged back in at any moment. There are
probably warehouses of stuff like what worldwide and you never know when
someone is going to plug-in any one of those devices and start playing
with it again.
Big picture:
It's a lot of computer power in the event manufacturing hits a hiccup,
I wouldn't want to be caught flat-footed until it could be
re-established.
Are you suggesting that Linux should not drop support for i486
architecture because if new machines aren't available due to
supply-chain issues, we might all have to re-rack 486s to keep our
services running? That sounds insane. We would simply do without. I'd
sooner put my old mobile phones into service supporting my applications
than an old i486. They are more powerful and reliable, and use less
electricity.
There's a reason Linus wants to kill i486 support:
"At some point, people have them as museum pieces. They might as well
run museum kernels." - Linus Torvalds
I like to build distilled portable stuff for that reason. I think
DB2DOM could run on some really old versions of all of our favorite
software if needed.
Great. I'm sure the transactions will only take a couple of seconds to
commit. No problem ;)
-chris
On 10/26/22, Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
Shawn,
On 10/26/22 00:14, Shawn Heisey wrote:
The Linux kernel dropped support for 386 and 486 CPUs some time ago.
I was reading about this today, actually. Linux is currently actively
advocating for dropping 486 support, so it must still be in there.
-chris
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