On 05/01/18 22:09, Don Flinn wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I think this is an excellent and useful task. The first step is to define
> the audiences of which I would like to suggest five.
> 
> 1. Experienced System administrators with experience in security and SSL
> 2. Experienced System administrators with no or little experience in
> security and SSL
> 3  Non system administrators with  experience in security and SSL
> 4. Non system administrators with  no or little experience in security and
> SSL
> 5. Overarching each of the above is the different CAs that might be used

You could probably break down the audience in a similar manner for most
of the Tomcat topics.

> A question would be are audiences 3 and 4 populated.  I for one fall
> somewhere between 3 and 4, but maybe I'm the only one.  It seems to me that
> small companies would fall into 3 and 4.  A big further complication is
> item 5, which applies to each of the others.

Indeed. The general idea would be to write material that covers all of
these and then adjust what is actually taught to the particular audience.

> I wrote a short write-up to this site about a month age addressing
> audiences 2, 3 and 4, mostly 4 and was told that this was not what was
> wanted, that all the information was somewhere on the web.  That is true
> but trying to find it, absorb and apply it is difficult.

We do try and keep the docs succinct and direct users elsewhere for
background. I remember that write up - it is similar to the content of
the intro to TLS presentation I have given previously. It is the sort of
content we would want to include in the training course.

More generally, I'm updating the wiki with the suggestions as I spot
them on the mailing list. Please do keep the suggestions coming and ping
me if I miss something.

Mark


> 
> Don
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:16 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat
>> training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e.
>> material that would be made freely available for folks to use.
>>
>> I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as well
>> as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material
>> face to face.
>>
>> The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in
>> length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different needs.
>> e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an
>> 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to
>> provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc.
>>
>> I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the
>> various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my
>> employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now
>> possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses.
>>
>> I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am
>> reaching out to the community for help.
>>
>> The first step is to come with:
>> - a list of modules
>> - potential courses formed from combinations of modules
>>
>> I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of
>> modules that could make up those courses.
>>
>> We have a blank wiki page to host this:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/Tomcat+Training+Course
>>
>> Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an
>> account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or
>> add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page.
>>
>> The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content.
>> As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat
>> training course in late March / early April using this material. My
>> current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per
>> person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are:
>> - Cardiff
>> - Birmingham
>> - Manchester
>> - Glasgow
>> (all in the UK - if successful we can expand to mainland Europe and beyond)
>>
>> My second request is for feedback on which location(s) are preferable
>> and what content would you like to see in the training course. I'll take
>> this feedback, put together a course and then make it available to book.
>>
>> I look forward to all your ideas.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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