Good Point Tim-
There is a difference between 'copying' and 'deploying' which means you copied 
the war to Tomcat / went to manager module and did a restart
copying -
(always safer to delete the old war and then copy in the new war)
deploying -
You want to look at URL utilities like curl to automate the task to open the 
axis servlet URL such as
 http://localhost:8080/manager/html/reload?path=/axis

Does this help you?
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Lucia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Tomcat Users List'" <users@tomcat.apache.org>; "'Martin Gainty'" <[EMAIL 
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Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: Ant deploy task and cluster-wide (farm) deployment


> Well, given that exec cp would be the same as my running it from the shell,
> and I've already observed that does not work (nor does it work from the
> explorer window(s)), I would guess that it won't work if forked-and-execed
> from ant.
> 
> The question still remains - How do I know for sure that delete and copy are
> "done" and the app is undeployed / redeployed?  With the deploy task, I know
> that the undeploy is complete when the http request completes.  I was hoping
> there could be a similar mechanism in the works for the cluster model.  I
> think it would be quite beneficial.
> 
> I may have a few hours of spare time this week and if I do, I will attempt
> to characterize exactly what happens, how often, and when.  Or maybe I
> should attempt to find some options in Samba that mitigate this.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:53 AM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: Ant deploy task and cluster-wide (farm) deployment
> 
> As I believe you have come across a Samba specific issue with copy task The
> intelligent and wonderfully talented folks at Bowstreet recommend using exec
> with copy over using Ant copy task (apparently preserving permissions and
> identifying which source/target file is 'older' would be accomplished using
> exec vs using ant copy)
> 
> http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:ITQuwFOAUAAJ:buzz.bowstreet.com/post.asp
> %3Fmethod%3DReplyQuote%26REPLY_ID%3D506%26TOPIC_ID%3D272%26FORUM_ID%3D15+%22
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> Does this answer your question?
> Martin --
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Lucia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Tomcat Users List'" <users@tomcat.apache.org>; "'Martin Gainty'"
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> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:49 PM
> Subject: RE: Ant deploy task and cluster-wide (farm) deployment
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> 
>> Push or pull, when it gets there, it gets there correctly (md5sum-s
> match).
>> The problem, I think, is that the file appears in the file system before
> it
>> is received in its entirety.  I don't know why -- maybe the nature of
> samba
>> is to write, close, open-for-append, ... ?  If I copy FROM Linux ("pull")
>> then I do not have this problem, it's only when pushing to the linux file
>> system mounted via samba from Windows.  I've tried this numerous times,
>> because I have a strong desire to automate the build and deploy process as
>> much as possible -- saves me from having to do it myself ;-)  I haven't
> 100%
>> isolated the exact circumstances. 
>> 
>> Even if the push model worked (i.e., ant copy tasks) how can I know for
>> certain when the old is undeployed and when the new is deployed?  And
>> speaking of that, should I simply be able to overwrite and have it
> redeploy?
>> I've not seen that work -- sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, and
>> because it is a push, it suffers from the sample problem as above.
>> 
>> For the record, the source is a Windows XP and/or W2K3 NTFS and the target
>> is RHEL V.4.  Tomcat 5.5.12, JDK 1.5_05.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:09 PM
>> To: Tomcat Users List
>> Subject: Re: Ant deploy task and cluster-wide (farm) deployment
>> 
>> Tim-
>> 
>> I found the majority of transfer programs transfer text not binary..this
> is 
>> especially problematic when transferring from Windows to Nix
>> As a war is a binary I would make sure that the transferring program is
> not 
>> interjecting LF with CR and or treating the transferred war unit as text
>> 
>> Martin -
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>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 5:06 PM
>> Subject: RE: Ant deploy task and cluster-wide (farm) deployment
>> 
>> 
>>>I have observed that if I build on windows, and copy FROM windows to
> Linux,
>>> Tomcat will prematurely begin transferring the war file to the rest of
> the
>>> cluster.  The master tomcat will end up with a correct war file, and the
>>> other will get a corrupt or truncated one.
>>>
>>> Also, there is no synchronous way to remove the old war, know that it is
>>> undeployed from all tomcats in the cluster, and then you know you can 
>>> deploy
>>> the new war.  I guess I could have it sleep for 30 seconds or so, but
> even
>>> that is no guarantee.  I haven't found that copy with overwrite 
>>> consistently
>>> triggers the copy.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing this is a samba issue, but due to circumstances beyond my
>>> control, our build machine is running windows and I can't change it.  At
>>> least with the manager application, when control returns to ant, the app 
>>> is
>>> definitely (and reliably) undeployed.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:55 AM
>>> To: Tomcat Users List
>>> Subject: Re: Ant deploy task and cluster-wide (farm) deployment
>>>
>>> yes, farm deployment is triggered by simplying copying a WAR into the
>>> "watch" directory, with ant that would be using the copy task
>>> Filip
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Lucia wrote:
>>>> Is it possible to deploy to a cluster using the deploy task?  (i.e., can
>>> it
>>>> be done using /manager/html?)  I think not (I can't find any way to do
>>> it.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If no, are there any plans to support this in the future?
>>>>
>>>> I ask because I have found that production re-deployment is an
> unreliable
>>>> process when you have to rely on deleting and copying war files across a
>>>> network share.  I'd like to avoid having to keep a list of cluster 
>>>> members
>>>> around in order to undeploy and deploy to each one.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tim
>>>>
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