Thanks Joakim... for trying I tried to get a clean head rev build off my framework providers but its never had a clean head rev build ever (months and years) and I have been very quiet about it limping along waiting for pristine code. They seem to be under the impression that everything just works and tooting their horns on the framework site... when it dont... otherwise I would have been long gone spent busying myself focusing on business logic instead of build problems, codebase corruption code base instrumentation to overcome issues.
So I am going to SHcan my attempt at getting a clean fresh build to eliminate these problems and revert back to the buggy code base I have been wrestling with. But if that worked I would have been focusing on business logic still. I will give your suggestion a try. I have been known to be a big mouth or sometimes a bad mouth about open source. At least when I was a committer I maintained a clean and tight head rev build and was always QA'ing the base line functionality to avoid any road blocks or show stoppers for users potentially waiting to go live. Thanks friend - cheers