Seriously? Struts vs. T5? Go look to market which people you can find more easily & cheaper. At the very end someone have to support the app.
Personally i will never go to pick-up struts job because it is dead. Unless you pay me significant more for my wasted time :) T5 simply the best web-framework in java world. So if you tied to java - go with it. If not.. you know :) On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Thim Anneesens <t.anneess...@ictjob.be>wrote: > Thanks for the ammo guys ;). > > Thim. > > > On 01/26/2012 10:20 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote: > > (Thim, you don't know what poor English is...) It's always difficult > to win these arguments on technical merits alone, especially because > they are often looked at one-by-one instead of as a whole. If at all > possible, try to find an angle that your organization or your manager > deeply cares about. For example, if you had more people with Tapestry > experience than Struts people, that'd be a winning argument for me if > I was a manager. If you can't find anything else, try this: Struts is > a dying architecture, as proven by these > graphs:http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.struts.usershttp://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.tapestry.usershttp://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=%22tapestry%205%22%2C%22apache%20struts%22&cmpt=q > > Granted, Tapestry doesn't fare that much better in these comparison > but before you doom Tapestry to oblivion, note that many other > programming languages, and especially web frameworks based on other > languages than Java have been chipping away Java's general > popularity:http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=java%2C&cmpt=q > > Personally, of those choices, Struts would be the last one I'd pick. > > Kalle > > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Thim Anneesens <t.anneess...@ictjob.be> > <t.anneess...@ictjob.be> wrote: > > Hello Tapestry users, > > The company where I work is going to choose a web framework to implement > there site (the company core business revolves around that site). We did a > POC with Spirng MVC, JSF, Struts and Tapestry. > We have shortlisted to Struts and Tapestry and I have the feeling that > Struts will win. > > The manager decision seams to revolve around the argument that if we can do > in Struts what we can do with Tapestry while keeping a code that is > relatively clean and readable, we should use Struts. > > *Does anyone have a killer use case that would be difficult to implement in > Struts and easy in Tapestry.* > > I already demonstrated the following about tapestry: > > * Better components in Tapestry than in Struts > * Better persistence tools (FLASH, CLIENT, SESSION ,SESSION STATE, ...) > * Cleaner templates > * Less code review because of the framework sensible conventions > * Better code navigability (when using an IDE) > * Better refactoring (most of the code is in Java) > * Coherence and homogeneity (One framework for all your needs / Struts > needs JSP, Freemarker, Spring services and Tiles to even compete ) > * Strong Ajax support out of the box > * Powerful configuration with symbols > * Beautiful architecture (easy to remember because very sensible) > * Easy to extend or override most of the features > * Live class reloading > * Made with most of the common web use cases in mind (javascript, css, > ajax, session, query parameters, cookies, integration with backend, > ...). > * Everything at your fingertips with Injection and IoC > > These are more than sufficient to convince me that productivity and > maintainability will be far better with Tapestry than with Struts. But > unfortunately, I fail to demonstrate to the manager :(. > > Sorry for my poor English and thanks in advance, > > Thim Anneessens. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > -- > * Thim Anneessens > IT Department * > > [image: ictjob group] > > ictjob.be <http://www.ictjob.be> > Tel: +32 2 725 73 00 > Ikaroslaan, 2 > B-1930 Zaventem ictjob.lu <http://www.ictjob.lu> > Tel: +352 621 364 792 > 12, rue Eugène Ruppert > L-2453 Luxembourg jobtic.fr <http://www.jobtic.fr> > Tel: +33 9 81 25 19 66 > 19 rue Martel > 75010 Paris ticjob.es <http://www.ticjob.es> > Tel: +34 911 25 43 11 > Calle Santo Tomé 4, 5B > 28004 Madrid ictjob.de <http://www.ictjob.de> > Tel: +49 711 91 41 07 32 > Humboldtstr. 32 > 70771 Leinfelden-Echterdingen >
