Yes indeed.  The relationships between JPA, tap-JPA, and entities themselves 
isn't clearly documented.
It took me a while to figure out what the relationship was.

tap-jpa and EJB packaging can coexist and must coexist peacefully.
The key to understanding this is how annotation processing works.
tapestry-jpa implements annotations via tapestry-ioc, while glassfish does this 
via JEE annotation processing methods.

For example, @PersistenceContext and @EntityManager annotations are processed 
by tapestyr-jpa in tapestry packages only,
while they are processed by JEE/EJB code in glassfish in @Stateless/@Stateful 
EJBs only.

If you put @Stateless session bean, for example inside a tapestry package 
(xxx.components, for example)
and declare a @PersistenceContext there, 
then you will have a clash because both tapestry and glassfish will both try to 
process the annotation.

Hoep this helps

On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Chris Mylonas wrote:

> This is my lack of having not tested tapestry-jpa at all!!!
> If tap-jpa reads the same persistence.xml as my ejb-jar ---- omg `kin rad!!
> 
> otherwise - don't worry - this takes it to [OT]   off topic.
> 
> i don't understand the j2ee packaging that well - so take my knowledge with a 
> grain of salt for now re: java packaging and how that works.  i'm into 
> protocol analysis on network stuff cos I like to connect things together 
> (like most of us).
> 
> i do not understand the relationship betweeen:
> 1.. persistence.xml in an ejb-jar; and,
> 2... persistence.xml in tapestry-jpa jar
> and whether the two can co-exist in the same ear project (i.e. how an entity 
> manager works in both cases)
> 
> which is beyond this mailing lists purpose.
> 
> 
> This is stuff I'll hammer out with some testing in due course :)
> 
> 
> Tapestry enables me to do web stuff "IN JAVA" much easier than mangling bits 
> of non-UI java database stuff (e.g. EJB) than with php (ie. drupal cos it's 
> easily hackable in the spaghetti code sense because that's the nature of the 
> language IMO)
> 
> which for me enables me to be a more productive/better progammer ---- which 
> I've been waiting for, for years!!!!!!!!!!!
> Hope that makes sense, both in my lack of understanding of java stuff - and 
> where I expect tapestry to take things for me :)
> 
> The rate at which stuff happens in this tapestry community is incredible to 
> say the least, I just hope I can catch up - economically, socially, 
> engineer-ily, glue-ily, technically etc..
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Chris
> 
> 
> On 23/09/2011, at 4:22 PM, Lenny Primak wrote:
> 
>> I don't understand this last message.
>> Tapestry-jpa module reads the same persistense.xml file as the JPA in 
>> glassfish.
>> The only thing that's different is that glassfish does annotation processing 
>> inside JEE-annotated classes (session beans)
>> and the tapestry-jpa module does the same within tapestry-ioc packages.
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:18 AM, Chris Mylonas wrote:
>> 
>>> Good to know - my understanding of entity managers is low, so I was 
>>> thinking the two lots of persistence.xml files would mean 2 entity 
>>> managers, one for tapestry-jpa and one for EJB, unless tapestry-jpa can get 
>>> the EJB's persistence.xml through java packaging magic.
>>> 
>>> Stuff for me to learn unless someone can give a definitive "this is how it 
>>> works"
>>> 
>>> Have a good weekend,
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23/09/2011, at 4:14 PM, Lenny Primak wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I am using JPA module from 5.3 no problems, not sure about 5.2, but I 
>>>> don't think that it should be an issue
>>>> I don't see any issues of mixing JPA module with EJB3 because I  use it 
>>>> myself
>>>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Chris Mylonas wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Lenny
>>>>> I'm on GF 3.1.1 + tapestry 5.2.5 no JPA module, just using the jumpstart 
>>>>> stuff from the EJB3 sample.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can I mix tapestry-jpa with EJB3 stuff without causing problems for 
>>>>> entity manager?  Or would the web stuff be safer to be read-only?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 22/09/2011, at 11:55 PM, Lenny Primak wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just to let you know, I am using GF 3.1.1 and tapestry 5.3 beta 5 with 
>>>>>> built in JPA module and I have no such issue. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:12 AM, Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OMG!! - That did the trick!!!!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The magic is in persistence.xml
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <property name="eclipselink.weaving" value="false"/>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you Geoff you champion!!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I wonder what it will do to  "performance, caching and change tracking" 
>>>>>>>  because according to that page, that's what weaving is for.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND      
>>>>>>>                                                                   
>>>>>>> 7484 root      20   0  827m 372m  13m S 93.3 18.4  38:09.77 java        
>>>>>>>                                                                     
>>>>>>> 2258 mysql     15   0  140m  30m 5000 S 34.9  1.5  13:07.30 mysqld      
>>>>>>>                                                                     
>>>>>>> 8168 root      15   0 10436 6304 2336 S  0.3  0.3   0:09.03 ssh         
>>>>>>>                                                                     
>>>>>>> 8497 chrismyl  15   0  2416 1084  820 R  0.3  0.1   0:01.69 top         
>>>>>>>                                                                     
>>>>>>> 1 root      15   0  2160  680  584 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.60 init     
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Load average is at 0.7, but I'm monitoring systems during off-peak time.
>>>>>>> I'll definitely have to check JBoss out against Glassfish for this type 
>>>>>>> of work I think.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anyway - I'm off to play with some Grid components :D
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 22/09/2011, at 7:45 PM, Geoff Callender wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> According to the following thread _persistence_shouldRefreshFetchGroup 
>>>>>>>> was removed in Sep 2009, and a workaround for now might be to 
>>>>>>>> partially disable "weaving".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://forums.terracotta.org/forums/posts/list/2227.page
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 22/09/2011, at 3:54 PM, Chris Mylonas wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Lenny & Tapestry Users,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Yep I tried exclude in the template.  No such luck.  The thing errors 
>>>>>>>>> out in setupRender - I might do the fetching of the List<CalledEvent> 
>>>>>>>>> in onActivate (even though it's in the wrong place to put such stuff).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I tried a few things, like the other suggestion to use @Inject 
>>>>>>>>> BeanModelSource and also what is on the jumpstart page using
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> myModel = beanModelSource.createDisplayModel(CalledEvent.class, 
>>>>>>>>> componentResources.getMessages()).exclude("_persistence_shouldRefreshFetchGroup");
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But it still didn't work.   Not exactly sure where the problem is, in 
>>>>>>>>> EclipseLink or somewhere in Tapestry's use of BeanModel -  I'll just 
>>>>>>>>> use a Loop for now whilst I'm still deving.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> When I find some time next week I'll create a simple 
>>>>>>>>> tapestry-jpa/tapestry-hibernate to see if that will work on Glassfish 
>>>>>>>>> with the Grid component.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, I might go back to testing on JBoss so I can use Grid.  
>>>>>>>>> It'll be a toss up whether the gains in getting easy webservices 
>>>>>>>>> RS/SOAP on glassfish is worth not having use of BeanModel stuff.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is my persistence.xml in case you can see something I'm missing 
>>>>>>>>> to make it work.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <persistence xmlns="http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/persistence";
>>>>>>>>> xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance";
>>>>>>>>> xsi:schemaLocation="http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/persistence
>>>>>>>>> http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/persistence/persistence_1_0.xsd";
>>>>>>>>> version="1.0">
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <persistence-unit name="CTIServerEM" transaction-type="JTA">
>>>>>>>>>  <provider>org.eclipse.persistence.jpa.PersistenceProvider</provider>
>>>>>>>>>  <jta-data-source>jdbc/fullcti1DS</jta-data-source>
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> <class>org.opencsta.ctiserver.business.callservices.model.BasicEvent</class>
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> <class>org.opencsta.ctiserver.business.callevents.model.CalledEvent</class>
>>>>>>>>>  <properties>
>>>>>>>>>      <!-- <property name="eclipselink.ddl-generation" 
>>>>>>>>> value="drop-and-create-tables" 
>>>>>>>>>          /> -->
>>>>>>>>>      <property name="eclipselink.ddl-generation" 
>>>>>>>>> value="create-tables" />
>>>>>>>>>      <property name="eclipselink.logging.level" value="INFO" />
>>>>>>>>>  </properties>
>>>>>>>>> </persistence-unit>
>>>>>>>>> <persistence-unit name="ReadOnlyAlerteeEM"
>>>>>>>>>  transaction-type="JTA">
>>>>>>>>>  <provider>org.eclipse.persistence.jpa.PersistenceProvider</provider>
>>>>>>>>>  <jta-data-source>jdbc/d6alerteetestDS</jta-data-source>
>>>>>>>>>  <class>com.alertee.contacts.model.CustomAlerteeContacts</class>
>>>>>>>>>  <class>com.alertee.contacts.model.CustomAlerteeNumbers</class>
>>>>>>>>>  <properties>
>>>>>>>>>      <property name="eclipselink.ddl-generation" value="none" />
>>>>>>>>>      <property name="eclipselink.logging.level" value="INFO" />
>>>>>>>>>      <property name="eclipselink.read-only" value="true" />
>>>>>>>>>  </properties>
>>>>>>>>> </persistence-unit>
>>>>>>>>> </persistence>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your suggestions!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 22/09/2011, at 1:24 AM, Lenny Primak wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Have you tried exclude= in your template?  That worked for me and is 
>>>>>>>>>> simple. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> It is EclipseLink (glassfish 3.1.1), I've just tried the first time 
>>>>>>>>>>> now and it failed again (same reason) but I'll try a few other 
>>>>>>>>>>> things based on Thiago's response earlier (re: BeanModel).
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Here is CalledEvent which the error comes from if you can see 
>>>>>>>>>>> anything strange, apologies Thiago for sending it to you directly 
>>>>>>>>>>> earlier!!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> package org.opencsta.ctiserver.business.callevents.model;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> import java.io.Serializable;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> import javax.persistence.Entity;
>>>>>>>>>>> import javax.persistence.GeneratedValue;
>>>>>>>>>>> import javax.persistence.GenerationType;
>>>>>>>>>>> import javax.persistence.Id;
>>>>>>>>>>> import javax.persistence.NamedQueries;
>>>>>>>>>>> import javax.persistence.NamedQuery;
>>>>>>>>>>> import javax.persistence.Transient;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @author chrismylonas
>>>>>>>>>>> * 
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> @Entity
>>>>>>>>>>> @NamedQueries({ @NamedQuery(name 
>>>>>>>>>>> =org.opencsta.ctiserver.business.callevents.model.CalledEvent.QUERY_GETALL,
>>>>>>>>>>>  query ="select c FROM CalledEvent c") })
>>>>>>>>>>> public class CalledEvent implements Serializable {
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * 
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> private static final long serialVersionUID =-35384297244606697L;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * 
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public static final String QUERY_GETALL 
>>>>>>>>>>> ="org.opencsta.ctiserver.business.callevents.model.CalledEvent.QUERY_GETALL";
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * 
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> @Id
>>>>>>>>>>> @GeneratedValue(strategy =GenerationType.IDENTITY)
>>>>>>>>>>> private Long id;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * 
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> private String name;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * 
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> private String callingParty;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * 
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> private String calledParty;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * 
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> private String dialedNumber;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * 
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> private String trunk;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * 
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> private String server;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @return
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public Long getId() {
>>>>>>>>>>> return id;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @param id
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public void setId(Long id) {
>>>>>>>>>>> this.id =id;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @return
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public String getName() {
>>>>>>>>>>> return name;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @param name
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public void setName(String name) {
>>>>>>>>>>> this.name =name;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @return
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public String getCallingParty() {
>>>>>>>>>>> return callingParty;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @param callingParty
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public void setCallingParty(String callingParty) {
>>>>>>>>>>> this.callingParty ĂŠllingParty;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @return
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public String getCalledParty() {
>>>>>>>>>>> return calledParty;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @param calledParty
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public void setCalledParty(String calledParty) {
>>>>>>>>>>> this.calledParty ĂŠlledParty;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @return
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public String getDialedNumber() {
>>>>>>>>>>> return dialedNumber;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @param dialedNumber
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public void setDialedNumber(String dialedNumber) {
>>>>>>>>>>> this.dialedNumber =dialedNumber;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @return
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public String getTrunk() {
>>>>>>>>>>> return trunk;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @param trunk
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public void setTrunk(String trunk) {
>>>>>>>>>>> this.trunk =trunk;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @return
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public String getServer() {
>>>>>>>>>>> return server;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /**
>>>>>>>>>>> * @param server
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> public void setServer(String server) {
>>>>>>>>>>> this.server =server;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/09/2011, at 12:53 AM, Lenny Primak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is EclipseLink.  I use it and ran into the same problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Lenny Primak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you add exclude="_persistence_shouldRefreshFetchGroup"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your grid definition, this should resolve the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 3:10 AM, Chris Mylonas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Tapestry Users,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got a problem with the grid element.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <t:grid source="calledEvents" value="calledEvent" />
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't happen if I put my List<CalledEvent> into a Loop 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> element and build the table.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <t:loop source="calledEvents" value="calledEvent">
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <td>${calledEvent.id}</td>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <td>${calledEvent.calledParty}</td>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <td>${calledEvent.callingParty}</td>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <td>${calledEvent.dialedNumber}</td>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </t:loop>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting this error when using the grid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Render queue error in SetupRender[Index:grid.columns]: Failure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading parameter 'model' of component Index:grid: Exception 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generating conduit for expression 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '_persistence_shouldRefreshFetchGroup': Unable to add method 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.lang.Object get(java.lang.Object) to class 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $PropertyConduit_1328ac84ee8: [source error] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _persistence_shouldRefreshFetchGroup() not found in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.opencsta.ctiserver.business.callevents.model.CalledEvent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does this mean?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm using Geoff's @EJB stuff from jumpstart's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EJBAnnotationWorker example
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd really like to use the grid because then I can use the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rowsPerPage parameter for "developer productivity" :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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