Ok, I am getting a bit more of a handle on this problem...
No matter what I do, my servlet is not getting filtered by tapestry filter.
I tried it all in web.xml, to no avail.  Tapestry & JSP pages do work perfectly.

On Sep 8, 2011, at 1:15 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Lenny Primak <lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us> wrote:
>> What I found out that Servlet 3.0 objects (annotated with @WebServlet and 
>> their derivatives)
>> do not get the Shiro filter that's instantiated via tapestry-security.
>> SecurityUtils.getSubject() does not work therefore.
> 
> Hey Lenny, can you clarify what you mean by servlets "do not get the
> Shiro filter"? What's the url pattern you are using for your servlet?
> Are any Tapestry filters handling the request?
> 
>> So the question becomes how do I get an instance of whatever's initialized 
>> by tapestry-security?
>> If I have a handle on that perhaps I can put it into web.xml to work with 
>> the servlet 3.0 servlets,
>> and by extension, Web services, REST objects, etc.
> 
> I'm not sure I follow. @WebServlet is an alternative to declaring the
> same servlet in web.xml, no?
> 
> Kalle
> 
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 12:13 AM, Lenny Primak wrote:
>> 
>>> I think I am running into a more general problem with this. Security is 
>>> just not getting invoked.
>>> Perhaps I have to declare shiro filter separately in web-inf? Would that 
>>> interfere with tap security?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Lenny Primak wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Great!  I'll try 1.2 and will do the shiro mailing list as well.
>>>> I tried the @RequiresRole on a stateless Rest service,
>>>> and it didn't work, I guess now I know why now :)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Lenny. Yes, it's the wrong list but the discussion's likely
>>>>> relevant to a number of other people as well. The most appropriate
>>>>> list is Shiro users and incidentally, there was a discussion on the
>>>>> same topic some time ago
>>>>> (http://shiro-user.582556.n2.nabble.com/Using-Shiro-in-a-Web-EJB-environment-td3773528.html).
>>>>> Your title says EJB container objects but mostly you seem to be
>>>>> looking at securing the front-end servers. I've done stateful
>>>>> (session-based) web services before and that'll work just fine using
>>>>> exactly the same configuration and annotations. Stateless security
>>>>> support was added/enhanced in shiro 1.2 trunk (with the release in
>>>>> sight in the near future) - basically making it easier to configure
>>>>> the framework (or some paths) so that each request is authenticated
>>>>> and authorized separately. If you have a multi-tiered architecture
>>>>> where your EJB container is running in a separate JVM, you'll have do
>>>>> more integration work yourself, to maintain keys or some access tokens
>>>>> to secure user requests / executions between multiple JVMs. There's no
>>>>> standard way worked for it as one size rarely fits all. It's an
>>>>> interesting topic nevertheless, and you should join the discussion on
>>>>> Shiro users list (see http://shiro.apache.org/mailing-lists.html) to
>>>>> keep up-to-date and make your opinions heard.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Lenny Primak <lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>> perhaps this is the wrong list to post this to, but
>>>>>> tynamo list still doesn't work for me, and I may post this on the Shiro 
>>>>>> list as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just started using tapestry-security, and it works great!
>>>>>> My application is a Tapestry front-end to a bunch of EJBs, Web services, 
>>>>>> and Rest objects.
>>>>>> It runs in Glassfish 3.1, and J2EE 6 compliant.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This application is on an intranet, and we need to secure it and put it 
>>>>>> out on the internet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was wondering if/how we can use the same T-Security/Shiro 
>>>>>> configuration/annotation/etc.
>>>>>> on the Jax-WS Web Services, and Jax-RS REST Web Services, it at all 
>>>>>> possible,
>>>>>> with a minimum of fuss.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>>> 
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