+1 for code The Tap 5 codebase lacks aome givens in nowadays development. Getting a simple app up and running with basic user management and security shouldn't take longer than 10 minutes and also flow support out of the box is mandatory.
Other than that the online docs and tutorials should be considerable beefed up. The main point is to make evaluation a simple, quick and straightforward process. And only after that a definitive guide is needed, since people usually first look at a framework and its online docs and only with convincing results there they consider buying a book. Actual users of Tapestry are convinced already of course, hence no wonder that they long for the definitive bible :) >From the said my opinion on the flow of events would be to include at least flow support and a basic security/user management module for T5.2 and in parallel work on online docs and tutorials with the evaluation process in mind. And for the book I think it is best if Igor gets his book translated for the time being. A publisher won't easily publish a book about tapestry with a stagnant or even declining user base, so the best bet is to get that rising first. 2009/11/9 Inge Solvoll <inge.tapes...@gmail.com> > Book. Web site. Marketing. Strategy. > > Just to make a statement here: THE TAPESTRY 5 CODE IS MORE THAN GOOD > ENOUGH!! The quality of the code and the framework just isn't the > bottleneck. I think we all can agree on that? > > Who cares about Spring Web Flow or portlet support? Do we really think that > such features would generate exponential amounts of traffic to the T5 > website? Because that's what we need. Exponential growth in the user base. > My fear is that T5 will simply die within a couple of years if we don't get > massive growth and popularity. So what can we do to achieve that? Exposing > internal services as public sounds like a great idea to me, but it sure > won't help much for the exponential growth. > > I think the best way for Howard to spend his time would be to find more > people to delegate work to, and spend some quality time with those people. > And after that, focus on marketing and documentation. > > Hope I didn't offend anyone with this rather brutal post. I want only the > best for this excellent framework and its very talented founder :) > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Newham, Cameron <cameron.new...@bl.uk > >wrote: > > > You need to write the book IMO. > > > > We've seen several attempts to start a book* on here but it hasn't > > happened and probably won't. > > > > Others will contribute to the current code. 5.2 can wait, I'm sure. > > > > > > * an English Tapestry 5 book, that is. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Howard [mailto:hls...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 07 November 2009 18:11 > > To: users@tapestry.apache.org > > Subject: [Tapestry Central] Next Steps for Tapestry > > > > I've been consciously letting Tapestry 5.1 sit and stabilize for a > > while ... a time that's stretched a few months longer than I initially > > intended. > > This is due to a number of factors: my return to independent > > consulting, my desire to write a definitive Tapestry 5 book, and > > preparations for many trips and speaking engagements. > > All of these factors have worked on each other: I've been improving and > > extending my Tapestry Workshop training materials which can be quite > > time consuming. I've also (over the last several months) been on the > > road several times, talking about Tapestry or doing Tapestry training. > > I do want to write a book on Tapestry but if I start writing 5.2 code, > > I know I'll be sucked right in ... lots of code (that darn Spring Web > > Flow integration for sure this time) and bug fixes. > > In addition, I've had an embarassment of riches: two main clients, one > > regular part time, and the other requesting (but not always getting) > > all my remaining time. I also have additional clients and training > > engagements waiting in the wings. I simply have a lot of draws on my > > time. > > As usual, working on real-world projects lets me experience the "rough > > edges" of Tapestry and fills me with ideas on how to address those in > > the next release ... often by splitting up Tapestry services into > > smaller, more easily overridden chunks and carefully moving internal > > services out into the public APIs. > > Finally, I've been very pleased by the fact that as I've stepped back > > temporarily from my normal stream of commits, the other Tapestry > > developers have stepped in and filled the gap. There's been quite a bit > > of activity especially from Igor that I've barely had a chance to keep > > up on. > > So the question is: do I wait and see if time opens up in Q1 to > > actually start on a T5 book ... or do I jump into 5.2 coding and leave > > books to others? It's much, much easier to write code than to write a > > book ... a book is a large amount of concentrated effort. It's very > > hard to accomplish anything on a book using an hour here or an evening > > there ... whereas Tapestry's code base lends itself to that kind of > > effort quite nicely. > > > > -- > > Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 11/07/2009 10:11:00 AM > > > > > ************************************************************************** > > > > Experience the British Library online at http://www.bl.uk/ > > > > The British Library’s new interactive Annual Report and Accounts 2008/09 > : > > http://www.bl.uk/knowledge > > > > Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. Adopt a Book. > > http://www.bl.uk/adoptabook > > > > The Library's St Pancras site is WiFi - enabled > > > > ************************************************************************* > > > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be > legally > > privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. 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