(other than that I did want to make clear I think it's a great framework!)




Joel Halbert wrote:
I was wondering whether anyone missed the lack of direct support for named context parameters? I try to keep my pages as stateless as possible (thus bookmarkable) and better support for "named" context variables would make this much easier.

José Paumard wrote:
François,

I think we all agree that T5 is an outstanding framework on many points. I've been using it for nearly a year now, with great pleasure and satisfactions.

May I add those two issues :
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-2433
I reported this bug quite some time ago, Howard closed it when v0.15 got UTF8, but in fact it's still here.

And another one (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-2432), that really hinders the concept of customized property editor. This concept is very powerful : build your own property editor, put your beans in a bean editor, and everything works flawlessly (and it does !). But when your property spans over more than one basic component (and which one doesnt ? if is was a simple property, why would you be writing an editor for it ?), you cant have some of your code executed between the injection of the form values in your editor, and the reading of the edited property by T5 (T5 doesnt use the getter / setter stuff to read / write those properties). So you have no way to cleanly build your property object from the values in the HTML form.

And the third one (remember the spanish inquisition ? ;))

Please, ho please, remove that hard coded "There is no data to display." from Grid.tml !

Thank you,

José

Ulrich Stärk a écrit :
Am Fr, 10.10.2008, 10:56, schrieb Francois Armand:
Ok, so we reach the point where T5.0 final is imminent, and we are all
(I think) really happy of that.
As we also want that T5 really makes its way in the Java Web ecosystem,
I think it always miss some really little things that are really
important for a .0 release.

I purpose to start this discussion in the ml, and when some major gap
emerge, to post them in the issue tracker, and vote for them.

So, for me, what I expect for 5.0 :
1/ - full and complete and rather simple internationalization : I really
believe that a web framework can ignore other language and culture
(date, number) today ;
     that include validator translation and stuff like that.

I believe you meant "can't" ;-)

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-211

This is the thing I care the most about as there is no workaround without
breaking other things.


2/ - valid XHTML, even for IE, by default. The workaround is here for
some time, but why it's not default ? See
http://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5HowToXhtml
3/ - something around AJAX documentation and Zone update inside a form
(that includes update of part of a form on change from a select :
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-138)

That seems to be a very frequent use case and should really be implemented
soon.

4/- a property symbol provider, also simple and in use almost always
@see
http://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5HowToReadSymbolsFromPropertiesFile

I think this is not that important to have. There is a simple solution in the wiki that people can refactor into a module, put it in a jar file and drop it into their projects as needed. On the other hand this wouldn't be
too complicated to integrate into the core distribution, given that the
code already exists.

Without 1, T5 just can't get is path easely outside English contries ;
Without 2, T5 can hardly be considered top-level (even if on the
technical point of vue, it's completly rigth and it's IE fault), without
3, AJAX seems not so well integrated, and it's hot stuff todays, and 4
is so much common in a application, why do we have to bother with that
each time ?

Other simple stuff that should be corrected before 5.0 (in my opinion) :
- why hidden field is still missing ? It's so easy to add, a new user
should not even have to search for that !
- https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-257, that seems to bring
other pb with decorator and the like ;

Personally, I can live with all of those points except the localization
issues. On the other hand I think that most of your points can be solved
without much effort and therefore should be considered for the final
release.

Cheers,

Uli


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