Eelco, It's nice that you restate your distaste for trolls and that we can readily agree on their vile nature. I can't speak for the rest of the list, but I need no reminder of the childishness of the 'my group vs your group' mentality. I'm a software developer, not an evangelist, and therefore look at a piece of technology through the lens of its applicability to a problem and its elegance in dealing with the primary pains of that problem (tool for the task).
Now about this derelict troll. I am not asserting that this person is a core developer of wicket, but I am asserting that he was at least active on the wicket dev and user lists throughout 2006-2007, and that it stands to reason that the person mentioned in that changelog is the same. We can't be sure of that because no email is listed, but does it really seem so illogical to think they are the same person, especially considering that the time frame of his list activity roughly coincide with that changelog's date? It's true that we cannot empirically know if all of these trolls, who happen to carry an astonishing similarity in writing style (eg voice, tone), are the same person or not. However we can be sure that Francis Amanfo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is Emmanuel Sowah ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), thanks to a classic error: http://www.nabble.com/Can-you-comment-on-this--to7986838.html#a8018515 The email address I am specifically pointing out as the tie between at least 2 of the personalities, as well as a person formerly active on the wicket lists is [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.nabble.com/forum/Search.jtp?query=famanfo%40gmail.com&local=y&forum=13974&matchingForums=a It's worth noting that he seemed to be a happy tapestry user in the past (2005-April-ish 2006): http://www.nabble.com/user/UserPosts.jtp?user=148339&local=y&forum=302&matchingForums=a When this Rob Smeets fool surfaced many of us quickly assumed (yes, assumed) he was the same as Emmanuel, again due to the remarkably similar style in his messages. In the end it doesn't really matter. Trolls are trolls and when they even passively align themselves with something then by nature that something's name, in this case wicket, can be dragged through the mud entirely against its will. It's therefore important that the tapestry community be as careful about isolating him from wicket as the wicket community is about distancing itself from him. We are all software developers using conceptually similar tools - component frameworks - which means we theoretically have a lot to learn from each other's strengths and weaknesses. Damn the lines, the camps, and the trolls. It's open source software, we should all be gaining from this. Respectfully yours, Chris Lewis Eelco Hillenius wrote: > Chris Lewis-5 wrote: > >> Except for the part about him not being a friend of wicket, I agree. >> We've every reason to believe this moron is the same Emanuel whatever, >> who is known to be Francis Amanfo, and who we know a good bit about. >> Specifically, he is active in the wicket community and was mentioned in >> a 'thanks' for having contributed an accepted patch >> (http://wicket.sourceforge.net/wicket-1.1/changes-report.html - search >> for Francis Amanfo). I wouldn't dare say that the rantings of a such >> bird brain reflect the wicket community, but he is in some manner >> associated with it. >> >> > > The Francis mentioned here contributed a patch. A very long time ago I might > add. I don't think it Rob and Francis and other trolls around here are one > person, and messages like this: > http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=48743#249209 enforce > that opinion. But maybe.... I don't know any off them either. > > To me, there is a huge difference between someone contributing a patch and > someone being active over an extended period of time (patches, but also on > the mailing list) or even being part of the core team. If there would be > anyone really active in the Wicket community behaving like Rob does we'd > quite simply tell him to go fcku himself. And in the case of Rob, I actually > sent him a private email with pretty much that message a while ago, though I > never got a reply. > > We've stated on several occasions and in public that we don't like trolls > either (here for instance: > http://chillenious.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/is-there-a-wicket-tapestry-feud/). > The whole my group vs your group is so incredibly childish. > > And the trolls are probably laughing their asses off right now. Ignoring > them works better. > > Eelco (from the Wicket 'community') > -- http://thegodcode.net
