I guess that's true. Maybe I would argue more strongly for it if I
knew what the app was doing but I don't...I do know that when I was
doing both j2me / mobile content about 6 years ago the virtual device
programs you could use to develop your app against were always pretty
damn close to being the real thing...I can't imagine how many of them
there are now though. Maybe I can ask Cedric. I think he does that
stuff for google mail.

On 2/11/07, Patrick Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Jesse --

Oh we probably will create a different set of web pages for the phone
experience for all the reasons you mentioned, and also because the flow
through the app should probably be very different so as to reduce the
scrolling on the phone. But a simple proof of concept is what we are gunning
for now + getting experience with phone browsers.

We talked to a phone java/BREW person. His basic take on the phone situation
is that the phone browsers have come a long way and that it is reasonable to
think about offering a phone browser-based solution with just a small team,
whereas going native required its own team - even if J2ME was used -there
are so many fundamental differences in the J2ME profiles. When it came to
the BREW he basically said that it is impossible -- the phone companies
throw so many roadblocks in the way.

Now this guy was doing games on the phone, which we are definately not
doing. So it could be that for our relatively simple apps that we will not
have the same problem. However, you ignore an expert's advise at your own
peril.....

In a year, we could probably revisit this but in the meantime -- way too
much on the plate as it is....

-Pat

On 2/11/07, Jesse Kuhnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've never had good luck trying to make the same html  of a web app
> work on a mobile phone or normal browser.
>
> Everything is so constrained / different that I've always ended up
> creating a separate set of templates that are specifically targeted
> for mobile devices. You could probably detect the use of a mobile
> browser and have a different set of html templates used as a result.
> (I know Tapestry allows for this ability, just haven't had to do it in
> Tapestry yet)
>
> Your users will appreciate this customized experienced anyways.
>
> If this mobile browsing capability is more than a "nice to have"
> addition to your product (ie a core service that people are likely to
> use on a daily basis ) you may want to investigate how much sense
> creating a j2me / native app would make. (none if it's not a regular
> enough thing that would make people ok with downloading an app)
>
> Tapestry is great for a lot of things, but personally speaking if it
> were a critical part of my product offering that people use for more
> than casual browsing I wouldn't make it a web app at all...(perhaps
> re-use the same services / etc , but the "experience" is always going
> to be 10x better when coming in native form on those kinds of
> platforms...)
>
>



--
Jesse Kuhnert
Tapestry/Dojo team member/developer

Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com

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