Hi Rui, I feel a bit sad reading your comments. I have been browsing this list since a good friend of mine pointed it out to me like mandatory for a tapestry developer. I have been blessed with precious help from common folks like you and me, Tapestry gurus that do regular consulting work on Tap, and even Tapestry commiters who take the time to help us newbies with the real-life-not-so-motivating little or not so little problems. I myself am still on the very beginning of the process, and have been trying to start giving something back to the list out of shear gratitude of precisely what you're hinting the other way. I feel this list as the lighter atmosphere I have encountered. Everybody of every level of expertise now and again takes the time to help one another, very few posts go unanswered.
Honestly I must state that you don't have to feel that way about this list. I'm sure that if you take the time you'll see for yourself that your current views, are not at all accurate. One more note. I must say you have been a little harsh on Sam. Not wanting to step on somebody's toes or go about defending who doesn't need defending, but I have been reading Sam's posts daily for a few days in this list. He has given very good contributions to the community, including the one for yourself, he has in the past days been loosing sleep working with the Tacos team to integrate a set of components he and his team has built in the past weeks into Tacos library for all us to use in the near future. Very quality work, free of charge and with no gain whatsoever to himself. So, you will understand why I had to post this opinion. The help you received was very to the point and all of us point out the book simply because... it's great!!! It's a very practical book that get's you developing right on it's first pages. As for Sam, well, with all I have described, it's ridiculous to state that a comment from him is contributing to a not so light atmosphere in this list. As I have posted in another topic after Sam's efforts provided with yet another component... praise Sam. :-) Just thought to set a few information here so that wrong impressions get carried away and the proper feedback due to contributors like Sam is given. Hope you read my intentions well. Best of luck on your tapestry learning path... best of luck to us both on this path, and rest assured your on the right place for gatting the help you need. Regards, On 5/11/06, Rui Pacheco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I was not talking about specific cases, like my problem with validation which was admittedly my fault. What I want to say is that its not very friendly to send the URL of a book. It gives the impression that "I dont care". Sometimes, all we need is a holding hand. Dont want to start a flame war, but the folks over at the Wicket mailing list dont seem to be bothered with answering any and all questions. Granted, there are no books about Wicket, the framework is you and they want to draw developers. But the atmosphere is lighter. At least I feel more comfortable there. Once again, these are my views. Dont take this personally or as an attack on the framework. I love Tapestry and it is working up to what I expected it to be. On 5/11/06, Sam Gendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 5/10/06, Rui Pacheco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, first, you reference it as Kent's book. Most people come to > Tapestry > > because a project landed on their laps and they need to get up to speed > > quickly. Referencing a book as "Kent's" is somewhat vague. > > > > Second, most of the time we just want quick answers. I know I didnt need > the > > book, I just needed some help clearing a couple of specific doubts. When > > we're looking for a quick answer, referencing the book is the same as > saying > > "go away". It sends the wrong vibe about the mailing list. > > I hate to disagree, but when someone is asking about a significant and > complex piece of functionality which is amply documented elsewhere, I > think it is perfectly legitimate to point them at that documentation, > rather than typing all the documentation into an email. I brought up > Kent's book (which costs money, admittedly) only because I felt that > his coverage of validation was superior to the standard Tap4 docs, and > because you'd already gotten a link to the standard docs, so I wanted > to make sure you knew about both sources. I also included the full > title of the book and mentioned where to find a link to it. I don't > really know how I could have been friendlier about suggesting that you > read the docs before asking questions that are already easily answered > elsewhere. I didn't want to give you a quickie answer for fear that I > would either misinform you due to my own inexperience or that I might > fail to completely answer your question. Much easier to send you to > the source and get it right the first time. > > --sam > > > > > > On 5/10/06, Sam Gendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > More telling, I think, is the fact that the folks who answer questions > > > around here often reference it, and many of the folks asking questions > > > haven't read it yet. It certainly gave me a baseline of Tapestry > > > knowledge very rapidly. I still have a ton to learn, but it got me > > > started. > > > > > > --sam > > > > > > > > > On 5/10/06, Pedro Viegas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If anybody has doubts of what Sam is saying about this book... > > > > if anyone thinks it's just a book he, me, and a few others liked... > > > > Do make a search on this forum for quotes on this book... it's not > that > > > old > > > > and you will see the results! > > > > Garanteed! It's a must have. ;-) > > > > > > > > On 5/10/06, Sam Gendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Again, "Enjoy Web Development with Tapestry" (the pdf book about > tap4) > > > > > covers validation in detail. I highly recommend it. See the Tap > home > > > > > page for details. > > > > > > > > > > --sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/9/06, Rui Pacheco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > You might not believe me, but I only saw the "validators" > attribute > > > now. > > > > > And > > > > > > I've been looking at that page for the past 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/10/06, Jesse Kuhnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/UsersGuide/validation.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/9/06, Rui Pacheco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone, someone... Could you provide me with an example of > > > > > validation in > > > > > > > > Tapestry 4? Is it possible to do it inline in the html, > > > something > > > > > like > > > > > > > > <input jwcid="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" validation="Email"> ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been searching on the net, but the examples that I > see > > > are > > > > > only > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Tapestry 3 and the ones for Tapestry 4 don't touch > validation at > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Cumprimentos, > > > > > > > > Rui Pacheco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Jesse Kuhnert > > > > > > > Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open source based consulting work centered around > > > > > > > dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Cumprimentos, > > > > > > Rui Pacheco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Pedro Viegas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cumprimentos, > > Rui Pacheco > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Cumprimentos, Rui Pacheco
-- Pedro Viegas
