Am 29.07.2016 um 19:26 schrieb Shawn Bakhtiar:

On Jul 29, 2016, at 10:12 AM, @lbutlr <krem...@kreme.com> wrote:

On 29 Jul 2016, at 09:20, sha...@shanew.net wrote:
I would generalize that even more to say that greylisting should come
before any other content-based filtering (virus scanners, defanging,
etc.).

Greylisting is a great idea, in theory. In practice there are so many large 
emailers who can’t do email properly that is causes more trouble than it 
prevents.


I second that. I've tried gray listing a couple of times, and all I got from my 
users (and as the logs end up showing) is that some emails systems do not 
re-attempt delivery in an adequate enough time to be relevant to our business 
processes. When purchasing is waiting for confirmation of a hot rush delivery 
from a new vendor, gray listing can more than cause a few calls to the IT 
department.

that's why you don't do *unconditional* greylisting

I also have to agree with John Hardin. At what point does the advice not become 
worth the slap in the face it comes with.

As much as your advice has its merits Harald, it is also, very narrow sighted

see next part of response too.....

"narrow sighted" is really nonsense when one played around with all sorts of configurations and orderings for months until making decisions how to setup the systems

The reality is most of us (the other 99%) are not dedicated mail admins

and hence that ones should listen was dedicated sysadmins spent thousands of hours in rock stable system are explaining

I for one am a software engineer

well, in fact i once was hired as software engineer before it took over the CTO and sysadmin *additionally* and so i am not a *dedicated* mail admin since there is database, voip, http and other services besides my development job, but that don't change the fact that i spent counted 1200 hours alsone in 2014 for the inbound MX where SA is only a small part of it after being mailadmin over nearly 10 years anyways

so i pretend taht i know what i am talking about without being only mailadmin and nothing else

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