On Sun, 21 Sep 2014, Reindl Harald wrote:

Am 21.09.2014 um 03:29 schrieb John Hardin:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014, Reindl Harald wrote:

Am 20.09.2014 um 23:54 schrieb RW:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 15:48:05 +0200
Reindl Harald wrote:

http://www.antivirushelptool.com/spamassassin/header/USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL
that's too much and gives even a message on systems where
BAYES_99 and BAYES_999 would reach 8.0 a negative score

Do you have any evidence for it being too much? It seems about right
to me.

If you have an actual problem I'd suggest you use unwhitelist_from_dkim
locally and report the domain so it can be considered for delisting.

The dkim default whitelist contains domains that send a lot of
autogenerated and bulk mail, but have a very low probabilty of sending
spam

how can -7.5 be right?

it bypasses unconditional any bayse regardless if it is trained
with 100, 1000 or 10000 messages ham / spam and that can not
be the the right thing

That's kinda the *point* to a whitelist.

unconditional whitelists are as bad as unconditional blacklists

So you would be okay with the alternative: DKIM-signed legitimate emails from a real bank being rejected as spam because your bayes has been trained with legitimate-looking phishes and thinks they look phishy?

Would you care to share the spam that you posted the scores for at the start of this thread? There's not much we can do with just the rules that hit beside post vague guesses. The critical part is: which domain is that whitelisted DKIM signature for?

no message content available - we don't store anything on the gateway
3 cases with score -5 twice and one time -2

message-id=<....@xtinmta4208.xt.local
bounce-...@bounce.mail.hotels.com

OK, mail.hotels.com is in the default DKIM whitelist.

I haven't looked through the DKIM whitelist code but I note that def_whitelist_from_dkim supports specification of the domain in the DKIM signature, and the mail.hotels.com entry does not specify the signing domain.

Speculation: I wonder if it's possible that message was a forged hotels.com email signed with DKIM from *another domain* and that's why the default DKIM whitelist rule triggered.

Can someone with more familiarity with the details of DKIM comment on that possibility?

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