Am 02.09.2014 um 09:57 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
> On 8/31/2014 5:11 PM, LuKreme wrote:
>>
>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 08:08 , Ted Mittelstaedt<t...@ipinc.net>  wrote:
>>> Google does it.  It's not impossible.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> My experience is that the commercial providers like Gmail are now
>>> so aggressive that false positives are VERY common on their systems,
>>> this leads to people nowadays quite commonly saying "check your
>>> spam folder" on their websites and such that send feedback messages.
>>
>> These two statements do not go together.
> 
> Only because your stubbornly sticking your head in the sand.

stop that trolling please

> Google has well over 90% catch rate on spam out of the box

fine, you ignore that it is *not* out of the box

it is the same way a built up and configured system as i built mine
the last few weeks and train bayes was one of the setup steps

> Google ALSO has a 1-2% False Positive rate out of the box.  Their catch
> rate is so high because they are willing to accept a high false positive rate.

and so it don't work really

> Most users of Google are, in my opinion, idiots, and when their friends 
> email them and they don't get the email, once their friends contact them
> later they almost NEVER go to Google's Junk Mail box - and notice that
> Google blocked their legitimate mail.  And if they DO notice this they
> blame the sender (their friends) because Google Is Never Wrong.

and here you prove again that it don't work really out-of-the-box
because if i have to look all day long in my spam folder because
a noticeable part of my legit mail lands there it *do not work*

> Unfortunately, the number of idiots on the Internet vastly outweighs
> the number of smart people which is why Google is bigger

that may be true but don't change the fact that no spamfilter software
now, tomorrow or in 5 years will be perfect out of the box and frankly
it does not need to - it's typically part of a mailserver and nobody
should run a MTA "out-of-the-box" and expect "somehow it will work"

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