Hi,

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Amir 'CG' Caspi <ceph...@3phase.com> wrote:
> At 9:43 PM -0400 06/13/2013, Alex wrote:
>>
>> I'd say if you have any that are hitting bayes20 or lower, your
>> database is not working properly and you should probably start over.
>
> Not quite sure I want to do that... I don't really have a sufficient corpus
> of mail for good training.  It's working well in general, just missing these
> particular entries.  As I saw from your most recent message, you're also
> getting low Bayes scores on some similar examples... so it seems like these
> things are somewhat successful in confusing the Bayes analysis, at least on
> some DBs and with some emails (different emails confuse different DBs).

Yeah, but not bayes20. That's bad for sure. You should start
collecting now, or pull a few hundred from your recent quarantine and
use those, along with people's mail folders.

>> I thought you may have manually modified the body because this looks
>> unique:
>>
>>    <x-html><!x-stuff-for-pete base=
>>
>> Do your other FNs have this? If so, you could consider generating a
>> rule from it.
>
> Almost all of my HTML FNs have this.  However, almost all of my legitimate
> HTML email (TNs) also have this (regardless of source, i.e. whether it comes
> from a large company opt-in ad or whether it comes from a friend's direct
> email).  It would appear to be some sort of XHTML email standard.  Filtering
> on this would be disastrous, at least for the email I receive.

Good to know.

>> Search your installation and see if the two rules even exist on your
>> system.
>
> The rules definitely exist on my system.  I wonder if there's some
> difference between running spamassassin manually on the message versus
> running spamd.  The message I pasted was run through spamc/spamd.  Is there
> something that I've misconfigured that might cause spamd to run differently
> and skip some tests, that spamassassin would manually pick up?

I think the only difference would be if spamd somehow didn't recognize
all the locations for your rules. Perhaps create a rule that you know
will hit with a very low score in each directory that contains rules.
Maybe there's a way to run spamd in the foreground with debugging,
like there is with amavisd.

Regards,
Alex

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