There have been numerous discussions, but it seems there is no real progress in causing the returnpath situation to beecome reasonable.
I got the mail below, which is clearly spam. Because it was whitelisted by returnpath, I decided to complain. If they delisted netsuite, or took some other action to ensure that this does not recur, that would be (just barely) ok. So, I started down the path of complaining. Searching for RCVD_IN_RP_SAFE and RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED at wiki.apache.org/spamassassin came up empty. Using those in the 'find page' page also found nothing. In the -t output, I saw: http://www.senderscorecertified.com Going to that URL has a lot of redirects (which is bogus). When it finally arrives, there is a page trying to sell deliverability services, with no obvious link to how to email a complaint about a whitelisted IP address being used to spam. This is unreasonable for a whitelist, and it's not ok for SA to accomodate this kind of behavior (even if the whitelist usually improves spam/ham classification). So it seems we have whitelist rules that make it hard to find out what was whitelisted. Even after using -D to figure that out, the URL is useless, and there's nothing findable on the wiki. In my view, including pay-to-play whitelists requires a minimum ethical duty to users (in particular, making a real effort to accept complaints and resolve them), and that duty isn't being met. These problems have been raised before, by me and others, over a period of years. 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