Hi, > You know how it is unsafe to use unsubscribe on many spam because that you > are a live address?
Of course. If you read again, I'm talking about sites like eWeek.com, where someone has intentionally subscribed, but can't figure out how to unsubscribe, so they think if they just treat it as spam, it is another way of making it go away. > What would be helpful is a list of "known mailing list service providers" Yeah, according to whose judgement? I think this is kind of what we have with the JMF_W list; there shouldn't be anything on there that permits the relaying of spam, else they should be delisted, if not blacklisted. I guess that also holds true for URIBL_BLACK? If the URL is blacklisted, then ideally the user shouldn't see the unsubscribe link. > Does topica.com ever send any legitimate mail? I see nothing but spam > coming from there. I see many similar "providers" of unknown legitimacy That was my question some time ago. They sure seem to be legitimate, and I believe their relays are even whitelisted. They have several domains, IIRC. There's also us.edir1.com. I don't see anything legitimate from them, but their JMF_W, IADB_GOODMAIL, DKIM_VERIFIED, and SENDERID, and occasionally URIBL_BLACK, I believe. However, all that comes from them is credit card offers. I'm now blocking them at the gateway, and no complaints for about a week. Then there's oriental-trading.com, which is JMF_BR and URIBL_BLACK, yet they are a legitimate brick-and-mortar operation too, and people actually like their stuff. > where I don't know if to report or unsubscribe. The business model of these > providers apparently do not reward them to be vigilant against abusive > customers, as we spam fighters seem unwilling to punish them for repetitive > abuse. I would, if my users complained, but it must be so good that they don't even know they're being spammed, and I don't want to be the one who gets blamed for some executive not receiving their free coupons from Oriental Trading. (hypothetically speaking, of course). We're easily processing twice as much email as we were this time last year. Still a billion rejects at the gateway for invalid helo. Best, Alex
