If you can send me more information off-list, I will ask Infra to look into this. -- Kevin A. McGrail Member, Apache Software Foundation Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:41 AM Rick Cooper <rcoo...@dwford.com> wrote: > Phil Reynolds wrote: > > On Tue, 19 May 2020 07:43:14 -0400 > > "Rick Cooper" <rcoo...@dwford.com> wrote: > > > >> I occasionally get emails warning me of bounced mail, this one > >> doesn't go through we will send a probe, yada, yada. > >> > >> They say they include the bounce message but they always look like > >> this: --- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received. > >> > >> Return-Path: <> > >> Received: (qmail 21198 invoked for bounce); 8 May 2020 19:58:49 -0000 > >> Date: 8 May 2020 19:58:49 -0000 > >> From: mailer-dae...@apache.org > >> To: users-return-1220...@spamassassin.apache.org > >> Subject: failure notice > >> > >> Which is useless. I also cannot find where the list was every denied > >> in the logs. This time I went ahead and the email that would > >> retrieve the messages that had bounced and I have every single one > >> of them already... Every singled one. > >> > >> What is up with that? > > > > I have seen this from time to time on several mailing lists. > > > > Normally, it is caused by your mailserver rejecting a malformed mail > > that has been sent to the list - the list software has accepted it and > > not corrected its "non-compliance" - hence your mailserver bounces it. > > No I would see the reject in the mail logs, and when I requested the > bounced > messages I had already received all of them. So that was why I wondered why > the list server was saying they bounced without a denial and after having > had them delivered to my box. > > > > > If you do ever find out about the mail in question, it is usually (*) > > spam. > > > > Unfortunately: > > > > (a) certain mailing list software is set up so that it can send on > > malformed mail it could in theory reject or put right. I am of the > > opinion this is wrong. > > (b) certain mailservers (including mine, of my own volition) are > > configured to reject such malformed mail on the grounds that it is > > usually spam. I am of the opinion this is right. > > (c) the mailing list software treats this as a bounce, without > > treating the reason as special and letting it simply pass. I am > > of the opinion this is wrong. > > > > (*) usually = at least 995 per mil. > > > > I am happy to read anyone else's opinions on the three points above, > > of course. > >
