Thanks Alex.  I was just looking for a good contact!
Regards,
KAM

On January 14, 2018 2:30:36 PM EST, Alex Lasoriti <lasor...@spamteq.com> wrote:
>On 2018-01-14 17:20, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
>> On 2018-01-14 17:07, Per Jessen wrote:
>> 
>> > AFAIK, bind does not accept NS records with CNAMEs, only A or AAAA
>> > records.  It looks like spamhaus updated their nameserver config
>and
>> > added cloudflare by way of CNAME.
>
>Hi all,
>
>this was a "sunday experiment" done on only one of our current 20 NS
>records,
>addressing in total about 75 nameservers.  So it affected more of less
>5% of the
>lookups (that did not fail, just had to be retried).  It's my fault and
>you
>can blame me personally :)  We are now back to the normal setup - the
>CNAME
>is no longer there and will not come back.  Sorry for the extra noise
>in
>logs; I am quite confident that nothing was really seriously broken,
>but I understand that it may have annoyed some people.
>
>While I was aware of RFC 2181 (1997), the current wide usage of CNAMEs
>in the
>context of load balancing and geo-optimization schemes where the CNAME
>points to a record of an external unrelated domain, led me to think
>that
>nowadays things could have been less strict than in the past with
>respect
>to CNAMEs pointing outside.  While a CNAME implies some inefficiencies
>due to
>the extra lookup,  geo-optimization could bring very important
>advantages to
>the DNSBL ecosystem - such themes did not exist in 1997 when RFC 2181
>was written.
>It is now obvious that it continues to be a no-no, but perhaps the time
>has
>come to relax this restriction.  In the meanwhile we'll do it in some
>other way.
>
>The context of this experiment is that we are currently investigating
>usage
>of a content delivery network such as Cloudflare's to bring DNS data
>closer
>to users, but still retaining the rbldnsd-based server farm.
>The purpose is to decrease the average latencies, but also decrease the
>number of extra queries done to get the A or AAAA records of
>nameservers,
>as we would like to decrease the number of NS records drastically,
>serving to users only a subset of nameservers close to their location,
>or at
>least to the location of the resolver sending the query on their
>behalf.
>
>While in principle DNS resolvers should choose the closest
>authoritative
>server, in practice they still keep trying all the others, and some
>resolvers
>really choose the authoritative randomly (see the Yu, Larson, Wessels
>and Zhang
>paper "Authority Server Selection of DNS Caching Resolvers" if you do
>not believe
>that!).  For us this means that we find US-originating queries
>constituting
>the majority of DNS traffic reaching our mirrors in places like Saudi
>Arabia,
>Australia, South Africa, places where bandwidth and hosting may be
>quite
>expensive.  And those servers were meant to serve the communities in
>those
>countries, not to serve US users that are always a few ms away from the
>closest
>mirror.  So we are basically trying to overcome the rather poor ability
>of
>DNS itself to keep traffic local, and have less bytes flying over the
>planet.
>
>> I am getting these, too.  With other news in the last few weeks, are
>> things falling apart at spamhaus?
>
>Not that I am aware of :)  The infrastructure keeps consolidating
>and things are getting stronger and stronger!  What other news are you
>referring to ?
>
>Alex
>Spamhaus Technology

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