I've had some success. Firstly, Shawn I did find update-java-alternatives
with my googling and what an eye-opener that was! I thought it would surely
solve the problem, but it unfortunately didn't.

So today, I tried again. Because I hadn't noticed anything in the solr logs
before, I decided to wipe the entire log directory, and see what appeared.
I found my clue in the previously unnoticed solr-8983-console.log
I'd been looking in solr.log and the various gc logs, but hadn't noticed
this one appearing. In fact it was the only one which was created. This
mentioned a deprecated setting in my solr.in.sh which I removed, ran again,
removed etc until it finally ran, waiting for the mandatory 180 seconds in
between each restart.
These are the things I removed before it worked
-XX:+PrintGCDetails
UseConcMarkSweepGC
PrintGCApplicationStoppedTime
PrintGCDateStamps
PrintGCTimeStamps
PrintHeapAtGC
PrintTenuringDistribution
UseParNewGC

So now it all seems to be chugging away on Java 11. Will probably leave it
on that for a while, until I have an urge to tangle with solr again.
Understand that java 13 is a no-no, as its not LTS.

Thanks for your suggestions and advice.

Jim

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 2:06 AM Chris Hostetter <hossman_luc...@fucit.org>
wrote:

>
> That's the console output, where the start script is waiting for the port
> to come up.
>
> what does the actual solr log file (written by the java process) say?
>
>
> https://solr.apache.org/guide/solr/latest/deployment-guide/taking-solr-to-production.html#log-settings
>
> : Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 10:57:37 +0800
> : From: Jim Morgan <jim.mor...@nknews.org.invalid>
> : Reply-To: users@solr.apache.org
> : To: users@solr.apache.org
> : Subject: Re: Java Upgrade process
> :
> : Fair point Chris, I should have included log info in the original post.
> : So in the solr logs, nothing at all. I think because solr doesn't get to
> : the point of starting.
> : In syslog I have
> : ---------
> : Dec 11 06:35:08 server solr[6822]: Waiting up to 180 seconds to see Solr
> : running on port 8983 [|]  #010#010#010#010#010#010 [/]
> :  #010#010#010#010#010#010 [|]  #010#010#010#010#010#010 [/]
> : (lots and lots of these removed)
> : 010#010#010 [-]  #010#010#010#010#010
> : Dec 11 06:35:08 server solr[6897]: Still not seeing Solr listening on
> 8983
> : after 180 seconds!
> : ---------
> : There was a warning about Ulimits, which doesn't seem to occur under
> Java 8:
> : Dec 11 06:30:32 solr-dev solr[6266]: *** [WARN] *** Your open file limit
> is
> : currently 1024.
> : Dec 11 06:30:32 solr-dev solr[6266]:  It should be set to 65000 to avoid
> : operational disruption.
> : Dec 11 06:30:32 solr-dev solr[6266]:  If you no longer wish to see this
> : warning, set SOLR_ULIMIT_CHECKS to false in your profile or solr.in.sh
> : But I set that in /etc/defaults/solr.in.sh and it didn't help.
> :
> : Jim
> :
> : On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:10 AM Chris Hostetter <
> hossman_luc...@fucit.org>
> : wrote:
> :
> : >
> : > can you be more specific about " It just waits and eventually fails
> after
> : > about 2 minutes." ... what message does it print to the consolr?  what
> : > does the solr log file say?
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > : Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 11:36:15 +0800
> : > : From: Jim Morgan <jim.mor...@nknews.org.invalid>
> : > : Reply-To: users@solr.apache.org
> : > : To: users@solr.apache.org
> : > : Subject: Java Upgrade process
> : > :
> : > : A few months back, I had a question about upgrading Solr. I was
> trying to
> : > : upgrade from 8.5 to 9.3. That introduced a few errors into our
> website
> : > : search that we were not able to resolve, so we've figured we'll just
> : > : upgrade to the latest 8.x version, ie. 8.11.
> : > :
> : > : We've successfully upgraded the underlying OS, and we're happy 8.11
> : > returns
> : > : the same search results as 8.5. So far so good.
> : > :
> : > : Now we're looking at java. Its currently running on openjdk-8. I've
> tried
> : > : upgrading to openjdk-11 and openjdk-13. The process, as this is
> Ubuntu is
> : > : basically.
> : > : apt install openjdk-13-jdk
> : > : update-alternatives --list java
> : > : update-alternatives --set java
> : > /usr/lib/jvm/java-13-openjdk-amd64/bin/java
> : > : On doing that, solr will fail to start. It just waits and eventually
> : > fails
> : > : after about 2 minutes. So I can do
> : > : update-alternatives --set java
> : > : /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
> : > : To set it back to java 8 and it runs again.
> : > :
> : > : I've tried regenerating the init script with the new java, but the
> : > scripts
> : > : are identical. I've tried rebooting the server with the new java
> active
> : > in
> : > : case its an environment thing. But to no avail.
> : > :
> : > : Any ideas what's going on here?
> : > :
> : > : I notice java 8 is still getting updates, so maybe the path of least
> : > : resistance is to stay on that.
> : > :
> : > : Jim
> : > :
> : >
> : > -Hoss
> : > http://www.lucidworks.com/
> : >
> :
>
> -Hoss
> http://www.lucidworks.com/

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