I will evaluate SOGo on my own, but since our enviroment uses 389DS (FreeIPA) your script won't work. And btw. you evaluated SOGo and created that script. I wanted to just make a simple comparsion. Total newb of sogo, total newb of active directory. As another one posted it's currently not completly a safe enviroment. Just aworking one.
And I don't think about install scripts, as soon as i'm evaluated it i will write a puppet script and a kickstart file. that's completly not my problem. it's just that the documentation is not feature complete. it explain's how to install sogo, not how to configure it and make use of a basic enviroment. With a basic enviroment i don't mean something lik hey I need a 389ds etc. i mean something like the 10.04 ubuntu draft. Like that: http://tracker.openchange.org/projects/1/wiki/HowTo_build_your_own_OpenChangeSOGo_appliance I mean that is a howto, but you could write something like that in a documentation mannor. ---- And yes, SOGo is the solution. I'm currently looking for a few hard weeks, since we got a shitload of work and still have the need to change our current enviroment from Microsoft Exchange, Microsoft AD and Microsoft Clients to fully Linux based solution. Based on CentOS and Fedora, with SOGo as groupware, Thunderbird as mail client. And i mean we are a very small team (5 people) which only have basic knowledge about ldap/cyrus/postfix etc. But we wanted to do that change, and we evaluated freeipa, fedora, etc and it taken a long time, but currently we are happy about our new enviroment. but currently we are missing the good old groupware features from outlook. and in the last week we evaluated diffrent groupware solutions (we also taken a look at ibm domino) but at the end we taught, it's best to stick with sogo. still the configuration and installation steps needs to be more user friendly or the documentation needs to be evolved. 2013/7/7 Szládovics Péter <[email protected]> > Yes, it's true too. > But the sogo not a complete system, it's only the part of a system. > Sogo just a frontend for any imap server, authenticate from any ldap and > stores the card/calendar informations any database. > > Sogo works with cyrus? Yes. Works with dovecot? Yes. Works with courier? > Yes. Works with postgres? Yes. Works with mysql? Yes. Works with openldap? > Yes. Works with MS AD? Yes. Works with alternate user sources? Yes. > > What about zimbra in this context? (LOL) - Easy docs... > > Exchange in 4 hours? Yes, I installed some exchange in AD forest with > replication. > But I can build a sogo about 30 minutes from booting Ubuntu setup cd till > first incoming/outgoing mail with the fresh installed system. > How? I created a script for that. It's get some data at start (mail > domain, admin passwords, ldap parameters, etc.), and then install needed > packages, and set them up it automatically - next-next finish. > > And the result? > > Samba4 LDAP + OpenChange + Sogo + Dovecot (quota, shared dirs, sieve) + > mysql + postfix + sogosync + Outlook anywhere compatibility + multi domain > support + phpldapadmin + phpmyadmin - and everything over SSL for secure > remote clients. > > 30 minutes, and not few hours with exchange - btw exchange... what about > the updates? My 30 minutes contains all of the updates. > > So... > If you want to try my install script, I can share it, but not for > cyrus/courier/postgres/openldap - you could use it too, but you'll need an > x509 CA, certificate and key in pem format. I need to remove from it some > private parts and translate it for English. > And no, I won't modify the script for other ldap/imap/sql backend, if you > need another, feel free to modify it - just please reshare ;) > > Please give me about a few days for it. > OK? > > 2013-07-07 21:43 keltezéssel, Schmitt, Christian írta: > > I know that it is not a problem of sogo, but i'm a developer and not > a system administrator. I mean if I really want to make use of sogo i > wouldn't want to go through thousands of documentations, just to have a > good and working installation. > > i mean, you configured your apache right? i don't think so. i mean i've > spent a week, fulltime to make the best available configuration, just for a > python deployment with mod_wsgi. it contains only the things that are > needed to work. also i've spent hours with mod_proxy and nginx as a proxy > pass or haproxy. > i've did this since i needed it. > > I've currently doing the same with Postgresql and 389 Directory Server. > But still it's a lot of stuff and I could do that in fulltime. But how much > people have that much time in their company? Most people won't they need to > show some things and than deploy it or even the people who want it for > their home servers, they want to make things work, not to spent their whole > life by configure and evolve the process of deployments. > > You ever used Microsoft Exchange? > I Could configure and install / deploy it in under 4 hours, fully > configured and working (without used it before). Do you really think that > ANYBODY could do that with sogo? > I mean you ever seen a good documentation? Look at the Zimbra > Documentation. In the Single Server install guide you could install Zimbra > from Zero to Working and Zimbra still uses OpenLDAP, Postfix and Apache. > Could you do that with sogo? No. The Documentation won't have the > required things. > Or take a look at the FreeIPA Docs here: > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/FreeIPA_Guide/index.html > There is a shitload of stuff but it's organized and you could easily use > freeipa. > > Trust me sogo is great. But to deploy it you need a really really long > time. Especially in good enviroments. > > > > > > 2013/7/7 Szládovics Péter <[email protected]> > >> 2013-07-07 19:59 keltezéssel, [email protected] írta: >> >> It's true what you are saying, currently i'm planning some sogo >>> deployments, >>> one with a LDAP (FreeIPA) Backend and one with a postgresql Backend. >>> Currently >>> I'm playing around with postgresql and it isn't really easy with this >>> documentation to bring up SOGo. (But btw. other Groupware Documentations >>> are >>> painful aswell) >>> I mean SOGo is really really good. It's very fast and it works on my VPS >>> that >>> has 512MB Memory even with LDAP installed. (Currently Zimbra needs way >>> more 2GB >>> Memory or above, that makes it painful to use, but easy to install / >>> configure). >>> >>> I think the problem with the documentation is not the configuration >>> steps, Some >>> things are just missing. I mean when I want to configure SOGo, I wan't >>> to know, >>> how I configure Cyrus with any SOGo Backend aswell and Postfix also with >>> any >>> Backend. I mean I'm confident with Apache and i wouldn't even needed the >>> config >>> file that you deployed with sogo. But I'm a total newbie with ldap / >>> postfix / >>> cyrus and I think many people are new to this feature aswell, since most >>> of the >>> groupware people coming from other enviroments where you didn't need to >>> configure your own imap or mta. >>> >>> Nothing against you sogo guys, since you gave us one of the best, >>> groupware's >>> that are completly free and there aren't good alternatives. I mean >>> kolab3, is >>> really not production ready, zimbra is not really good since the nice >>> features >>> are only in the network edition and it uses way to much ressources, >>> horde is >>> cool and good, but it's old and still uses more than sogo uses. there are >>> plenty of examples why sogo is better, but since you gave us 1 Document >>> with >>> like 60 sites which only includes the options that i could configure >>> about sogo >>> and not a complete document HOW TO INSTALL sogo it's really hard. >>> >>> I mean rename the document from SOGo installation to SOGO Configurable >>> Options >>> and make a new Guide which says Install Sogo which includes nearly every >>> configuration option for real world deployments. >>> >> >> Guys, it's absolutelly right! >> But... If anybody newbie in postgres/mysql or in any ldap, or >> dovecot/cyrus/courier or postfix/sendmail/exim or _wathever what is not >> sogo, just a backend_ - is this problem of documentation of sogo? I dont >> think so... >> At the begin of this year I never yet used Dovecot. I didn't install and >> use any OpenLDAP/Samba 4 instances. I knew postfix (but not in ldap auth), >> and knew mysql, and I knew apache. >> Understanding some dovecot mechanism was a little bit hard - quota+ldap, >> folder sharing+ldap, sieve (pigeonhole). Samba 4 and openchange was >> absolutelly new for me. >> AFAIK I did 30-40 installs with failed or almost worked status, and >> reinstalled them, and again, and again - and learn. >> You need to know, everybody thinks otherwise. My config is probably won't >> good for you, and your problem is probably not similar to my problem. >> So, I can't help - not 'don't want', just 'can't'. >> But when your problem is same or similar with one of my problems, I can >> help, and I will help. >> >> I think this community is helpful, when it can. >> >> /Sorry my bad English/ >> -- >> [email protected] >> https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists >> > > > -- [email protected] https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
