On 26/06/2013 14:41, raymond wrote:
Hi Wayland, thank you for your reply. I don't know if you will get this
email, I have been kicked off the list by Ludovic Marcotte for my last
comments.
I am sure that the Sogo team is working hard and I really hope they crack
the whip on MS Exchange server. We need people like the Sogo team. What
frustrated me a bit was the fact that the Zeg is advertised on the site as a
zero config test environment to see the product in action.
The Sogo web GUI worked fine and the sending test mail with the interface
worked fine but there was just no way Outlook stayed connected for me to see
the results of using a native connection to outlook.
I google'd the problem with Outlook and found some people who had the same
issues but with no reply on how to resolve it, this is why I got a bit mad
after discovering one post where someone commented on a user problem and one
of the team suggested that they purchase a support pack. This is where I
snapped and got the idea that the Zeg was not working and to get it to work
you had to purchase support.
Anyway I had another discussion and it just may be Windows 8 with outlook
2007 that is not tested with the Zeg and it could be a bug. Outlook has all
the SP's 1-3 installed, firewall turned off, hosts set in windows etc etc...
as per the docs but no luck to get outlook connected.
If you don't use the exchange setup in outlook and you use the account (auto
detect) option then the IMAP server is detected on the Zeg. By doing this
you don't have Calendar synchronization, only mail items as you would expect
from an IMAP server.
One Sogo member on the list assured me that the Zeg works with outlook. So
now I am in the process of testing WindowsXP with Outlook (2003 and 2007)
and then will move onto Windows 7 with Outlook (2007)
I addition I will be starting from scratch to configure CentOS 6.4 with
Samba 4 and to see if I can get OpenChange running. Better to start from the
bottom up.
Regards,
Ray
Hello Ray,
Indeed your message did not reach the group but my reply will. I messed
around with ZEG for quite a while and even managed to make an
installable ISO so I could run it on hardware. I don't know if the ZEG
is up to date with the current SOGo but I had disconnection problems and
very slow response. I tried Outlook XP and Outlook 7 on XP and Windows
7. It was obvious to me that this was not ready for my customers as I
could not handle the frustration myself.
I love Open Source software but it's a mystery to me what is motivating
the developers. Is someone paying them? Do they thrive on people
complaining about bugs? Are they planning on selling the whole thing to
Oracle?
Here's what I do. There are loads of small businesses with two or three
computers and they struggle to share work without a server. I get a
decent old computer and make a server using Linux. It acts as file
storage and email server. It bugs me that they can't all use the same
address book. Also these days people are using their smartphones for
email. It's easy enough to get the smartphone to use the server for
email but again no address book. The calendar function would be great.
This market is dominated by Microsoft in the medium sized businesses and
Google in the small businesses. I don't think it's good if people keep
all their stuff with companies hooked into PRISM. One bloke died and
another is on the run so that we could be told this blindingly obvious
bit of info:- the worlds governments have all our emails and data.
Regards,
Wayland.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayland Sothcott [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 26 June 2013 02:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
On 24/06/2013 13:39, raymond wrote:
I am sitting watching the demonstration video of sogo on youtube and
giving a big sigh!! Wondering how the hell did they get it to work.
Must I purchase a support pack, yes or no.....???? mmm "NO" if the
demo doesn't work, I can just imagine how the support is going to
work. Yes I know "the ZEG does works" but I am yet to experience a
working demo with outlook as shown in the video on youtube.
Phew, now that I had the opportunity to blow off steam I would like to
apologise to the Sogo team. "If" you do have a working product then
great stuff, just a pity you have not found a way to share it with people
like me.
Man I am so irritable at the moment I can shout it from the roof tops ....
no reflection on Sogo... just me wanting something and not getting
it... I am just tossing out my toys, banging my head against the wall
and shouting at ants...
And all because I can't figure out where I am going wrong with the
outlook setup. Oh, look there is another ant...
Good bye.
Hello Raymond,
I sympathise with you but also with the SOGo team. There is an obvious hole
in what you can do with a Linux server. It's not necessarily that it does
not act as an Exchange server but that the functionality of an email server
beyond simply sending and receiving emails using Internet standards is
missing.
Microsoft protocols are usually very complicated, The SAMBA team have done
fantastically well to make it work like Microsoft NT Server. The SOGo team
are trying to do this for Exchange.
What should happen is a set of open standards should be written. These would
define how the client and the server talk to each other to handle address
book data and calendar data.
The server could then store it's data in whatever database suits it.
This might be the companies own database or one which came with the service.
The client could be an ipad or MS Outlook or Thunderbird.
Whatever, no matter since this standard would be added to the client just
like IMAP or POP is currently.
Trying to reverse engineer a Microsoft product is a bit sad. It's all
reflected glory. Open Office is like this. I could go on...
Regards,
Wayland.
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