On 10/12/2020 09:36, Toralf Lund wrote:
On 09/12/2020 22:55, Gordon Sim wrote:
Does the queue depth on the queue(s) that the slow sends occur on ever get large? (Is there some limit set on the queue depth?)

The queues are last-value queues sorted on the "subject" values. They don't grow large, but obviously, some house-keeping is involved when storing messages.

This leads to another question: When exactly does the broker acknowledge message reception? Will it actually update queues first? I mean, it might conceivably read the message, buffer it, acknowledge, then do the routing.

The broker will only acknowledge the message once it has been successfully enqueued on all relevant queues. If persistence is in use then this will be once the journal has been updated on disk.

A last-value queue update involves dequeuing the old message that matches the key then enqueuing the updated one.

Is the client on which you observe this the only one to publish to a particular queue? (If not then it seems less likely that the queue is the issue, if other clients never see such delays).

The only other thing I can think of that would cause the invocation of send() to take a long time would be some sort of locking issue. Are the multiple threads possibly sending concurrently?

There is another thread linked to QPid, but it takes care of "request-response" messaging triggered by user actions. I can't see how it would be active in all cases where I see delays.

But obviously, it seems quite likely that this is the case of a thread waiting for *something*. Is there anything else that may somehow cause a block?

The two things I can think of are waiting for a lock or waiting for capacity. Waiting for capacity on 0-10 involves a session sync request. If the session is in use by other threads that could include those other operations as well.

Note that my application has extra threads that do unrelated work. Also, I expect other threads started by the QPid library will be active, as there is a receiver with a somewhat large capacity linked to the same session. And my request-response thread will probably be listening for incoming messages, too.

I should perhaps have mentioned that there is another problem that I think may be related: It looks like heartbeat messages are also sometimes delayed in a similar manner, unless they are lost completely. Every few hours, I get a reconnect attempt during send or receive, even though there is probably nothing wrong with the connection. That leads to a "session busy" exception.

Is there anything different about the case where you see this? (I'm assuming that not all clients have the same issue and that those that do are the same ones i.e. on the same machines and with the same context).

If heartbeats are also delayed it seems to me less likely to be related to the queue or the acknowledgements being delayed.

Again I wonder whether there is anything different about the installation where this occurs?


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