Hi,

> Am 24.07.2016 um 17:05 schrieb Aaron Mulder <[email protected]>:
> 
> Thank you again.
> 
> I looked at MultilineFields.pdf in a text editor but it seems to be
> linearized with all the streams compressed -- I can't make much sense
> of it.  Is there some convenient tool to emit a "human-readable"
> version with all the streams decompressed, without altering any of the
> object IDs or anything?

the easiest is to take a look with the PDFDebugger 

BR
Maruan

> 
> I recall once before using some kind of PDF analysis tool that dumped
> out a lot of information, but it produced sort of a diagnostic log.
> What I'd really like is a tool that produces a completely legitimate
> PDF -- pretty much the same as the original file, just with no
> compression.
> 
> Thanks,
>     Aaron
> 
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Maruan Sahyoun <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>> Hi Aaron,
>> 
>>> Am 24.07.2016 um 16:24 schrieb Aaron Mulder <[email protected]>:
>>> 
>>> OK, thanks.  The font is just the standard Helvetica so it should not
>>> need to be embedded;
>> 
>> If you need to support languages other than western text Arial (or Arial 
>> Unicode for a much larger coverage)  might be a better option as they 
>> support more characters.
>> 
>>> I just need to specify the appropriate point size
>>> in order for the text to fit in the available space.
>> 
>> If you specify the font size then this should be taken. If you'd like to fit 
>> the text into the form field specify a font size of 0 (zero) for auto 
>> scaling.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Some of the fields are multiline text fields ("text areas").  For
>>> those fields, do I need to manually line-break the text that I'm going
>>> to put in those fields in order to lay out the text in the appearance
>>> stream appropriately?
>> 
>> that shouldn't be necessary - but include line-breaks where you'd like to 
>> have new paragraphs.
>> 
>> You can take a look at the AlignmentTest.pdf and MultilineFields.pdf 
>> documents in 
>> pdfbox/src/test/resources/org/apache/pdfbox/pdmodel/interactive/form/. The 
>> lower half is prefilled by Adobe Acrobat to see how a filled out form should 
>> look like. If you run the unit tests you'll also see how PDFBox fills these 
>> fields (the upper half).
>> 
>>> I guess I am assuming that I will need to do
>>> that, though I suppose I'll find out shortly.  :)
>> 
>> BR
>> Maruan
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>>     Aaron
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Maruan Sahyoun <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 24.07.2016 um 14:35 schrieb Aaron Mulder <[email protected]>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am filling out a form on an existing PDF document.  The base
>>>>> document has /NeedAppearances true and the result is that the text
>>>>> looks different on every viewer.  For instance, on some the text is
>>>>> offset vertically or the text is cut off when using a font that works
>>>>> fine on a different viewer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I gather the solution to this is to set /NeedAppearances to false and
>>>>> provide an appearance stream for every field.  I don't know much about
>>>>> appearance streams.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In looking at the output of the PDFBox examples, it seems that the
>>>>> appearance stream actually writes the field's value as text, e.g. for
>>>>> the form containing the text "Sample field" the appearance stream is:
>>>>> 
>>>>> /Tx BMC
>>>>> q
>>>>> 1 1 198 48 re
>>>>> W
>>>>> n
>>>>> BT
>>>>> /Helv 12 Tf
>>>>> 2 20.692 Td
>>>>> (Sample field) Tj
>>>>> ET
>>>>> Q
>>>>> EMC
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there a way to not include the specific text in the appearance
>>>>> stream such that if the user changes the value in the field then the
>>>>> appearance stream will still work?
>>>> 
>>>> If the field has a value then this value will be part of the appearance 
>>>> stream. But that doesnÄt mean that the value can not change. When the user 
>>>> enters new text then the viewer will recalculate the appearance stream and 
>>>> the new text will replace the old one.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Really all I want from the appearance stream is to specify the font
>>>>> and bounds and offset such that the text is in exactly the same place
>>>>> on every viewer and the same font size fits into the available space
>>>>> on every viewer.
>>>> 
>>>> The font (/Helv in your example) and font size (12 in your example) are 
>>>> part of the fields properties and specified in the default appearance 
>>>> string. This will make it into the appearance stream. Unfortunately 
>>>> setting such as bounds and offset are not part of the PDF specification 
>>>> but implementation specific. So you might get different results with 
>>>> different viewers.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing you should also ensure is that the fonts used for forms filling 
>>>> are embedded in the PDF so that all viewers can use the same font.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> And one more question -- the document has let's say 200 fields, and I
>>>>> only populate maybe 50 of them.  If I specify appearance streams for
>>>>> *only* the ones I populate, will that work?  If that's the case,
>>>>> should /NeedAppearances be set to true or false?
>>>> 
>>>> If the appearance stream for the filled out fields is defined then you 
>>>> should set /NeedAppearances to false (or remove the key completely).
>>>> 
>>>> BR
>>>> Maruan
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>     Aaron
>>>>> 
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