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I have tried to use your forums but gave up as the people who write on them are idiots or preteens or both. I have the latest windows 8 64bit system and had this problem once before but cannot remember how to correct the problem. Turned off the computer one day and doesn’t work the next time turned back on, No updates from any source, so it’s not that. Any help you can give that works will be made into hard copy for future use. Maybe M.S. is messing with the system, who knows. Thanks in anticipation Roger Meakes rog.jan.mea...@live.co.uk or rjm...@gmail.com preferred Sent from Roger's Windows Mail and has been checked for viruses.